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#81 ·
q water, double with wipe out flyer. 1 big mark to remember and a lot of real estate to cover. some dogs will suck back in behind the flyer most will get pushed left by nervous handlers and end up in no mans land to the right.

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#82 · (Edited)
Duck Creek said:
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Nice water test

Thrown 1,2, Flyer M1 is retired and M2 is in the water (closer to shore than in the pic)

Jon
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Nice test, only critique is the dead bird in the water unless its the go bird. Drifting and sinking should always be a concern. As well as dogs that break on the flyer. (pick up dog required) Logistics shouls always be a concern.
 
#83 ·
q water test # 3. again a double with a retired. Dog that hammers this test is ready for all age work. Toyed with the idea of shooting the flyer out into the water off of that point where it's landing. Stick ponds are great for that. If I have a pick up dog available I just might do that. Dogs going for the retired are going to be reluctent to go back in the water off the dike and end up back behind the flyer. Sometimes when you have water that looks like this a good double is all you need. This would also be a good last series derby with both guns up.

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#87 ·
walt8@cox.net said:
Greg... with a strong wind perpendicular to the line, from top right corner of picture to the ****. What's your cast off that **** and into the water if the dog starts running up, or hunting the ****? Say the **** has been scented all along the potential landing area. Oh, and also, would you use a safety whistle on that strip of land just before the last piece of water?
Walt
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vocal right angle back for the first question, have to know your dog though.
safety whistle would be an absolute for me. won't cost you anything in the long run and I like to be back for the 4th series. If your going for the blue you can play cowboy if your clean up to this point. I would like to run that blind though. again nice water!
 
#90 ·
Greg, how about shooting the water bird as the Flyer?

greg magee said:
Nice test, only critique is the dead bird in the water unless its the go bird. Drifting and sinking should always be a concern. As well as dogs that break on the flyer. (pick up dog required) Logistics shouls always be a concern.
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greg magee said:
vocal right angle back for the first question, have to know your dog though.
safety whistle would be an absolute for me. won't cost you anything in the long run and I like to be back for the 4th series. If your going for the blue you can play cowboy if your clean up to this point. I would like to run that blind though. again nice water!
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Your asking the dog to make an angled exit on to a long **** that slopes to the left and runs parralel to the water, definitely a silent right over, leave no doubt in the dog's mind that it is to get back in the water and off the ****. Along with the safety whistle on the last piece of land, to get back to the fourth series.
 
#93 ·
walt8@cox.net said:
Tim...As a triple, would you try to pull out the shorter right hand bird after the flyer? Or would you take the long mark then the right bird? Looks like dogs could keep right on going on that short right hand mark.
Walt
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Short right bird after the flyer. The dog has been looking at the gun all the way back from the flyer and they know they have gotten the flyer. Plus the bird they are going to run deep on will be the right hand bird. The water, the ditch/hill and the gun will all push the dog to the right and into the big open field. I want them to check down after going long for the flyer.

JMO

Tim
 
#94 ·
Goldenboy said:
Your asking the dog to make an angled exit on to a long **** that slopes to the left and runs parralel to the water, definitely a silent right over, leave no doubt in the dog's mind that it is to get back in the water and off the ****. Along with the safety whistle on the last piece of land, to get back to the fourth series.
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Which cast depends on if you have a "water seeking" dog. A right over may put some dogs out to sea too far and once my dog reaches the first dike I'm going to want to keep my left in my pocket.

AH! Decisions Decisions!

Tim
 
#95 ·
walt8@cox.net said:
Greg explained to me in detail why he uses that cast to get a dog into the water off a ****. He also knows very well that most people would use an over. He warned me that a verbal angle back is the cast he would use because it works for him, and I should be very careful to know my dog and make my own decision. This all happened on a different thread, I repeated the question here because on this set up, this cast needed much more control, I thought.
Walt
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I like and respect Greg, glad to know that this cast was specifically for his dog ;-). That ****, scented, the smart cast in competition is a silent over, water-seeking dog or not. In training, it would be a silent right angle back.
 
#97 ·
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Wind slight left to right

All stations are out

I could not figure out how to make changes in the paint booth BUT I would like to change my order. Middle #1, Flyer #2, Long bird #3.

I think the way the test is set up in its orginal format it would not be all that difficult. I do think it would be tougher with the new order. I think it would be very difficult for a young dog to take the long bird first. I believe going past 2 shorter birds to get to a go bird would be the waterloo for many dogs. The handler would have to make a selection choice.

Is that messed up thinking?
 
#98 · (Edited)
Goldenboy said:
Your asking the dog to make an angled exit on to a long **** that slopes to the left and runs parralel to the water, definitely a silent right over, leave no doubt in the dog's mind that it is to get back in the water and off the ****. Along with the safety whistle on the last piece of land, to get back to the fourth series.
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Mark, I'm running a Labrador Retriever:p Only kidding buddy, As I told Walt it's an individual dog thing. I don't follow the hard fast handling rules. I modify them to fit the dog, instead of fitting the dog with the program. I guess it's a carry over from water forcing on my part. Almost all my forces are from the remote cast position. Stopped forcing from my side after my first dog many years ago. I do a lot of angle back cast with minimal force after I have them digging for the water. So I would feel comfortable giving vocal angle back. As far as scenting that stip of land, don't know wether I'd do it or not. blind looks meaty enough.
 
#99 ·
Wade said:
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Wind slight left to right

All stations are out

I could not figure out how to make changes in the paint booth BUT I would like to change my order. Middle #1, Flyer #2, Long bird #3.
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IMHO a "cheaters delight".
The dog that likes to avoid water will point hop and land on the middle bird and on the long bird when the dog either never gets in the second piece of water or beaches early they run to the gun and the wind gives them the bird.
JMO
Tim
 
#100 ·
Tim, does it get a thumbs up or down?

By the way I would not throw the flyer into the wind. So the wind direction would be right to left. Sorry

Walt, remember that most birds will be placed where judges don't think dogs will want to go. If your dog won't stay on a point to hunt because there is another piece of water behind it then you might be in trouble.
 
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