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Discussion starter · #41 ·
I put in a pretty cool play with my football team a couple of years ago and I bet we practiced it 100 times before ever running it in a game. The first time we ran it in a game my two guards pulled in opposite directions. If you know anything about football then you know what happened next and that situation is very funny to see....unless of course you're the coach.

My point is....you will know what your dog is weak at through your training. You will know if you worked on it thoroughly enough at a test. If you think that failing a test is a waste of money then that's just your way of looking at it I guess.

But please keep posting your marking set ups.
sigh.....no steve, its only a waste of money if it could have been prevented by finding out the weakness beforehand.
 
An approach might be to post up a mark that you're planning to run, and discussing how a dog might respond to the factors involved, & how you might correct it.
I like this approach, any pre-mark or pre blind pics to review for bird placement and potential problems? Thanks for the original post.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
I like this approach, any pre-mark or pre blind pics to review for bird placement and potential problems? Thanks for the original post.

joe - i can easily do that. others have already, and then its a long thread of "ifs" and "what ifs" - there are an infinite ways a mark can go wrong. we can analyze them all year, and in most cases not a single person would see them happen in their own world. i would prefer to analyze how a particular mark went wrong. that has substance. i will continue to train as i do and once in a while test my dog and post it for consideration. that is - if everyone doesnt have me on ignore like some seem to think.

hmmm./..1200 reads in 2 days, methinks i am not on too many ignore lists...right greg? (peace bro - had to say it regards.. ;-) )
 
Do you look at a mark or blind before you run it and try and anticipate how your dog might respond to the factors in it? I realize your dog could do something completely different than what you think ahead of time, but isn't that part of the learning process for both you and your dog?
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
Do you look at a mark or blind before you run it and try and anticipate how your dog might respond to the factors in it? I realize your dog could do something completely different than what you think ahead of time, but isn't that part of the learning process for both you and your dog?
yes i do, and i am usually wrong. i may think he will stop and hunt short, and lo and behold he drives 50 yds beyond the mark. i may think the angle approach to a dirt road will suck him down it, and yet crosses the road like it is not there and he lines the blind.

i may think he will line a simple 100 yd blind and then have 12 whistles to get it. then right after that see him line a 250yd blind when i expected 12 whistles.

isn't that why we all love this game??? ;-)
 
thank you greg. sincerely. i meant that. but please help me here - i'll repeat:

if i dont test my dog once in a while - as i did here, then how will i ever know what my dog needs to learn or is weak at???

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David, like I said. It is a great mark. There is a lot going on. But the approach should always be I'm ready to adjust if he caves to a factor. He failed the test (your words not mine) but you as a handler were ready to show him the correct line. It's a win win. You made him take the right line. You found out where his head is at. And you didn't condone any bad behaviours.
 
Discussion starter · #48 ·
David, like I said. It is a great mark. There is a lot going on. But the approach should always be I'm ready to adjust if he caves to a factor. He failed the test (your words not mine) but you as a handler were ready to show him the correct line. It's a win win. You made him take the right line. You found out where his head is at. And you didn't condone any bad behaviours.
again greg - thanks, thats great input.

but please tell me how i can be ready to adjust if i dont know what to expect beforehand? you lay out a perfect scenario there - but guess what - reality is different.

"But the approach should always be I'm ready to adjust if he caves to a factor."

nice advice, but if i am a rank rookie i dont have that stash-hole of cures for each issue. there could be a dozen factors, are you always ready for them all? an experienced trainer can do that. not an average joe like me.
 
David, do you train alone ? the reason I asked is that with the tremendous grounds you seem to have access to I wonder what other dogs have /may do on your set ups or how your dog does on someone elses set up on your training grounds...always helps to have a fresh set of eyes even on your home turf...
 
A couple of things you might want to consider In developing your training pholosophy.
First and formost is Voltaires "The Perfect is the enemy of the good "(enough) and Carr's "Leave something in it for the dog"

john
 
Discussion starter · #51 · (Edited)
David, do you train alone ? the reason I asked is that with the tremendous grounds you seem to have access to I wonder what other dogs have /may do on your set ups or how your dog does on someone elses set up on your training grounds...always helps to have a fresh set of eyes even on your home turf...

totally alone, and pretty much no one else knows my training grounds. i see no one else ever, 'cept for the few i have taken in. everyone likes my training grounds yet i am trespassing near 100% of the time. i look for tracks, etc, no one else knows most of my places. hey - i am a renegade! ;-)
i kinda like pushing the limits all my life, when younger it was with 20 ft waves, now i am older and i get thrills from much lesser things...like training a dog in a vacant lot...LOL. regards... ;-)
 
I like your training grounds but kind of have this thing about trespassing...I want to hang the ones I find on my hunting/training lease...
 
Discussion starter · #53 ·
I like your training grounds but kind of have this thing about trespassing...I want to hang the ones I find on my hunting/training lease...
well, i dont climb fences - for the most part. if a field has no fence then its easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

people just seem to not mind whan all you are doing is training a dog. no hostilities yet!
 
totally alone, and pretty much no one else knows my training grounds. i see no one else ever, 'cept for the few i have taken in. everyone likes my training grounds yet i am trespassing near 100% of the time. LOL. regards... ;-)
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!
Your obvious disrespect for property rights {as well as your personality} won't win you many friends or training partners with nice grounds in this game.
 
Discussion starter · #55 · (Edited)
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!
Your obvious disrespect for property rights {as well as your personality} won't win you many friends or training partners with nice grounds in this game.
never trespassing on private fenced property my friend, and the few times a cop - or a property owner representative - talks to me they shake my hand say have fun!


nice try, keep stalking me, eventually you might get something good....
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
is the picture you posted right off of 290. I always see that pond and want to train there but never have.
thats it. nice place. just dont drive all around it, drop in the gravel road and park and its cool.

to clarify the trespassing Bon - if there is an 80 acre unfenced and unused piece of property in a commercial district, yeah - its "technically" trespassing, but its not like crossing a farmers fence. never ever do that. and i dont drive all over their field. i even use a field right next to the regional FBI headquarters and sometimes they stop and talk. no guns there of course... ;-)
 
Discussion starter · #60 ·
I might have to go there sometime. next time you go shoot me a message.

where you live - do you ever train at the big park there, with the amphitheater? (unnamed to protect the innocent). another example of my dastardly "trespassing" deeds. its a public county park, so leash laws are in effect. and no gunpowder (that would include the .22 blank for a bumperboy) of any kind allowed so technically i am breaking 2 laws there - horrors!

i go in and train at daybreak, and can get some great water retrieves in before anyone shows up to fish as well as long land stuff.
 
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