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Should the Master National have a higher performance standard?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 40%

  • NO

    Votes: 81 60%
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Each AKC Hunt Test level has its own performance standard that must be met to earn to be awarded that title. As the dog/handler progress to higher levels the requirments increase.
Given that over 50% of this years dogs passed the MN and there is now a new AKC HT tiltle for the the MN level: Should there not be a new performance standard for this level?
 
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How many series do they run at Master Nationals?

How many passes do you need at MN to earn the MNH title?

I'd like to hear from folks that have attended a MN. How do the setups compare to a local/weekend Master test?
 
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If 50 or 60 or 70% of the entered dogs do the work, so what?

We expect the judges to set a fair and challanging test. It should be in the spirit of the reg's and guidlines. It should be judged to the AKC standard of a Master Test.

It takes a lot of good weeknd work to make it to the MN in the first place and those that do, have proven themselves to be well trainied animals and handlers. Holding together for 5 or 6 days to finish proves that even more so.

I voted NO.

A 7 is a pass regards
 
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TN_LAB said:
How many series do they run at Master Nationals?

How many passes do you need at MN to earn the MNH title?

I'd like to hear from folks that have attended a MN. How do the setups compare to a local/weekend Master test?
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All 6 series passed. All the series from this years MN definitely tested the dogs. They seemed to be about the same as you would find on a weekend test(at least on the west coast).

On the west coast this year, because the MN was here, the weekend tests seemed to be a notch up in difficulty. It seemed that you had to earn your stripes a bit more to be in the MN if you were from the west coast. Maybe I just had too many tests with that really tricky judge!

BHB
 
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I believe the title for the MN still bears the words Master Hunt Test...
any dog who passes two MN for the MNH title has done so because they have passed a certain number of weekend masters AND 6 series at the national...Isn't that accomplishment enough w/out having to increase standard or difficulty level of the MN?

regarding stanard and difficulty level...there is a difference - you can have a very difficult test and still judge to the standard, and end up dropping dogs because of the test's merits...

Juli
 
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I was looking for the poll option:

I couldn't care less.


Pheasant season has come to SD regards,
:p
 
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Buzz said:
I was looking for the poll option:

I couldn't care less.


Pheasant season has come to SD regards,
:p
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You oviously cared enough to read the thread and snivel some.

Want some cheese with that regards

Bubba
 
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Tim Carrion said:
MN level: Should there not be a new performance standard for this level?
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Yes there should, I think the standard should be that the dog pass at least 6 weekend Master hunt tests in a year for 3 different years and then pass two master hunt tests (back to back) held over 6 days and do that in 3 different years for the MNH title.

That is only the equivilant of 24 Master hunt test passes, 6 of which at the MN you cannot fail or you have to do another year.

If 50% fail every year it would take an average of 6 years for a dog to get the new title which is a minimum of 42 master hunt test equivilant passes.

Cost of entry fees alone for a MNH title on a perfect dog is $2100+ won't even go into costs of travel and training etc..
 
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I see 6 votes for having a higher standard...let's hear your reasons....that is a pretty good percentage of the vote....but so far only people who feel it should be the same standard, have responded.

oh, and one other question...Are the standards at the NARC and NRC higher than for a regular weekend trial?

Juli
 
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I voted "no."

I believe the Master National website already says it tests "to the limit of the standard." We qualified to go, but just could not work it out this year.

Why the angst over the pass rate for one year? Lord, every dog in it is ALREADY a MH, and had to pass 6 more just to qualify and show up. They are good dogs, very well trained, with seasoned handlers.....

I betcha the pass rate will cycle up and down over the years, that is just the nature of things.

If you just HAVE to have it more difficult, there is another game for you, and those that play it always talk about how they need new blood.... ;)
 
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I voted yes....
First off I have never run a Master National, but have run Master test
Here is my reasoning:
If AKC is adding a MNH Title to a dog after passing 2 MN, shouldn't these dogs be held to a higher standards to show that they are a step above a MH? If the standards are raise to reflect the new MNH Title I think it would mean more. Let's look at last years MN how many series where run? What if this happens again? If so has the dog met the requierments?

AKC has standards for each level as you progress to the next higher level the standards increase.

Not compairing the two at all, HRC has standards for each level and again as you progress the standards get higher as in AKC. Once you get your HRCH title you are qualified to run the Grand without any more qualifing. However when you do run the Grand the dogs must meet the standards of the Grand to pass. So in AKC why should the dogs not have meet a higher standard above the MH to get a MNH Title?
 
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Juli H said:
I see 6 votes for having a higher standard...let's hear your reasons....that is a pretty good percentage of the vote....but so far only people who feel it should be the same standard, have responded.

oh, and one other question...Are the standards at the NARC and NRC higher than for a regular weekend trial?

Juli
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Juli if NRC ment HRC then the answer is YES a higher standard is needed to pass a HRC Grand test then is needed to pass a weekend Finished test plus the dogs have to do an Upland test in the 5th series
 
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GulfCoast said:
Why the angst over the pass rate for one year? Lord, every dog in it is ALREADY a MH, and had to pass 6 more just to qualify and show up. They are good dogs, very well trained, with seasoned handlers.....
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I also would think only the best of the best would put the effort and money in to attending (just a hunch). I want to qualify and attend a MNH, but if we aren't "running good" I'd probably not spend the money...even if we do meet the qualifying standards.
 
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Melanie Foster said:
Oh good lord. I should have known better than to look at this thread.

Looking to Bubba for guidance...
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Let's just roll up a fat one grab a bunch of longnecks and enjoy the show.

Maybe get into that new tequila I found down in Corning.

Been on this bus a bunch of times regards

Bubba
 
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ohohjoe said:
its called hunt test ..and half the stuff they do in weekend test aren't even hunt test..
they already have become mini field trials..
So grab some popcorn and cold beer cause i am with bubba
So bla bla bla
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Originally Posted by Melanie Foster
Sorry to hijack, but what is the difference between a regular SRS Event and a club event? Is it like a picnic trial?

ohohjoe said:
Please OMG:rolleyes:
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There are some things we never forget. And you never responded ohohjoe...

Sorry to hijack folks, but after all, it is RTF. ;-)

LOL. I cannot get the format right but I've got better things to do 'bout now...
 
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Melanie Foster said:
Oh good lord. I should have known better than to look at this thread.

Looking to Bubba for guidance...
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Sheesh, I thought that was basically what I was saying. According to Bubba, that's sniveling. :rolleyes:
 
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