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Kory Poulsen

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I have a 2 year old BLM that is flat out energetic, VERY, VERY eager to do work. For his extreme level of drive he is very obedient (which is due to plenty of sessions firming it up in an attempt to help with his noise, which it has considerably). It has been a fight to stay on top of to say the least.

Here is where we stand at this point. He use to whine like nobody’s business while on line before, during, and after the birds hit the ground, but after MUCH work and elbow grease (2 yrs :confused:) he is now a gentlemen........right up until after I say his name then he comes out of the blocks, dust and weeds fly everywhere and he lets the whole world know how excited he is to go. I have tried and tried to put a stop to this but the relay switch from me to him is not quite sinking in. I have made an impression on him that noise anytime before the send is not acceptable, but impressing that on him after the send isn't making it through his skull.

He will sit their and watch multiple birds hit the ground quietly but vocalized as soon as he is sent, and it typically only occurs when sent for the first bird then he is quiet when sent for memory birds. The only thing I can do to keep him quiet all the way through the send is either heeling him in a full 360 rotation then sending him, run bird in mouth, send him to the memory bird first etc.., the element of surprise works the best, but I feel like I am more avoiding the problem with these then fixing it. Heck he will even vocalize on a blind like he does on a mark sometimes.

Any ideas????? I am starting to think running marks until the point of boredom every sesson is the only way to get a fix. Or maybe with this only occurring on the initial bird I am being a little to critical.

Kory
 
I'm new at this myself, but my dog had some vocal issues and I would just have the gunner pick up the bumper/bird if the dog made any noise. I called the dog back and then had the gunner throw another one. If the dog made any noise, I had the gunner pick up again. We did this on singles, first because she wasn't doing doubles yet, but I think logistically it would be easier even if she was at that stage. I saw someone do this for steadiness and just transferred it over. My dog learned after about 2 sessions that noise=no fun.
 
I don't have this problem, but I have read many posts about this, and I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.....

seems the consensus is if he is vocal off the line, call him back in and put him in the truck until another day. One guy I remember saying his dog when 6 months with no marks, but it finally worked.
 
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Two sessions, WOW!! Great work, wish that were the case for me. I have done plenty of what you are explaining here over the course of the last two years. Worked really well for the noise on line, but the noise right out of the gate when sent is where the issue is and Im having trouble relating the correction to the noise when sent. Very very frustrating thing to deal with.

Anybody have any noise issues with pups out of Chena River Tug or Carolinas Smoke on the Water?

Kory
 
Is there any Candlewoods Cash on the Line in your chocolate boy?

The fact that you got him quiet on the line is a tremendous accomplishment. Be proud of that. Not sure how to get him quiet leaving the line.

Janet
 
Is it just 1 bark/yelp or numerous barsk/yelps?

My guy (though no fault of his own except he had me for a handler) would bark several times after being sent, after awhile and cracking down on noise, he will let out one yelp when he leaves the line and that is it. But sometimes he doesn't do it all. He learned that you make noise you go back to the truck. Also I think it is genetic, I found out after there is a noise maker in my dogs pedigree.
 
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Is there any Candlewoods Cash on the Line in your chocolate boy?

The fact that you got him quiet on the line is a tremendous accomplishment. Be proud of that. Not sure how to get him quiet leaving the line.

Janet

It is definitely something trying to figure it out thats for sure. Sage, my chocolate is a female. No Candlewoods Cash in her ped. She is a really nice dog. Im looking forward to running her next season, hopefully we get a few things accomplished!! Jet, my BLM is the one I am trying to clean up the noise with.

Thanks for the reply!!

Kory
 
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Is it just 1 bark/yelp or numerous barsk/yelps?

It is just one bark/yelp, sometimes worse then others. It only occurs on release out of the gate and thats it. He is quiet while running to the mark.

I held him out of tests this past season because of it. Glad I did too, because we got the noise before the send taken care of. What have you guys seen in the way of judging a dog like this in both upper level HT's as well as FT's?

Thanks,

Kory
 
Most of the times there are under lying issues why dogs make noise at the line or leaving the line. If you can figure out what pushes them over the edge (trigger) it could easily go away. Could be a simple fix or a complex fix, most issues go back to low standards set somewhere in prior training...truck manners...holding blind obedience..etc.....Randy
 
I have a 2 year old BLM that is flat out energetic, VERY, VERY eager to do work. For his extreme level of drive he is very obedient (which is due to plenty of sessions firming it up in an attempt to help with his noise, which it has considerably). It has been a fight to stay on top of to say the least.

Here is where we stand at this point. He use to whine like nobody’s business while on line before, during, and after the birds hit the ground, but after MUCH work and elbow grease (2 yrs :confused:) he is now a gentlemen........right up until after I say his name then he comes out of the blocks, dust and weeds fly everywhere and he lets the whole world know how excited he is to go. I have tried and tried to put a stop to this but the relay switch from me to him is not quite sinking in. I have made an impression on him that noise anytime before the send is not acceptable, but impressing that on him after the send isn't making it through his skull.

He will sit their and watch multiple birds hit the ground quietly but vocalized as soon as he is sent, and it typically only occurs when sent for the first bird then he is quiet when sent for memory birds. The only thing I can do to keep him quiet all the way through the send is either heeling him in a full 360 rotation then sending him, run bird in mouth, send him to the memory bird first etc.., the element of surprise works the best, but I feel like I am more avoiding the problem with these then fixing it. Heck he will even vocalize on a blind like he does on a mark sometimes.

Any ideas????? I am starting to think running marks until the point of boredom every sesson is the only way to get a fix. Or maybe with this only occurring on the initial bird I am being a little to critical.

Kory
Haha I was reading this thinking that I have a buddy with an identical problem. then I looked up and sure enough its KRP himself.

Good to hear that Jet has shut his mouth during marks. It amazes me how much desire some of these fire breathers have!
Give me a call so we can train. I lost my phone so I no longer have your number.

Good Hunting

ty backer
 
It is just one bark/yelp, sometimes worse then others. It only occurs on release out of the gate and thats it. He is quiet while running to the mark. What have you guys seen in the way of judging a dog like this in both upper level HT's as well as FT's?

Thanks,

Kory
So far one yelp/bark hasn't hurt us yet (let me check with my pro), it is usually other issues that bite us you-know-where. From what I have seen when I run him is judges comment on his drive/desire and seem to understand the one bark when released and it is just the first mark.
 
Most of the times there are under lying issues why dogs make noise at the line or leaving the line. If you can figure out what pushes them over the edge (trigger) it could easily go away. Could be a simple fix or a complex fix, most issues go back to low standards set somewhere in prior training...truck manners...holding blind obedience..etc.....Randy
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!! :D

In bold was my problem, but as a novice hanlder with a high drive dog, I had NO IDEA and just let things slide. We (or better yet my pro) are slowly correcting everything. Kory go back and thing about everything you do and how your dog reacts. Any slight problems are magnified at a HT/FT. Good luck!!
 
Since it's your black dog, is Eba in his ped?

If you are dealing with a genetic component, training standards in the past had little or nothing to do with it. With training you can suppress the behavior, but it is still there.

As an example with our Beagles people have been breeding for proper "tonguing" for well over a hundred years. So you couldn't train it out of them if you tried.
As I said before we can (and do) train them to be quiet at home and in the kennels. But, if you listen to the vid that I posted, there is a completely different vocal behavior when they have a nose full compared to when they do not.
 
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