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Kelly Greenwood

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Just did a first T withmy 9 month old lab. It actually went very smoothly. Pup is very excited at doing this type of work and is usually bouncing and very happy. Really quick sit on whistle, no looping, taking first casts and carrying them to piles.
Did 2-3 back piles and he ran straight thru, Did an over, then a couple more back piles then the other over then I sent him on the back pile and as he crossed the apex, he chnged his gait slightly and ran quietly for about a stride and then ran all the way back to the back pile. he is one of those dogs that you can hear run (sounds like a herd of buffalo). Did several more backs and each time he just did that single stride quietly and it seems like I can tell a slight hesitation really hard to tell if he is slowing down, then thunders back. He doesn't turn his head or anything obvious, wouldn't have noticed it except for the sound.
I have been following Evan Grahams books and I just noticed that I skipped "force enroute". At this point (as soon as it stops raining) I am going to do a couple of enroute force sessions.
Do I need to do anything else? I am thinking a ton more backs straight thru vs overs and stopping enroute to back pile? or is it just the pup listening/anticipating?? what else should I do? or do different?

The more I know the more I know I don't know..Ya know?
 
I would run more backs and less overs. Also if using a collar, a back- nick- back may help with the momentem at hte point when he slows down.
But really I'd give the benefit of more back piles and I think it will clear up the problem.
Joe
 
I would just give the back command with my hand up in case he turned to look, just before the apex, so there is no doubt. Sounds like he has great momentum. Did you en route force during FTP? If he pops don't miss that training opportunity.
 
Just did a first T withmy 9 month old lab. It actually went very smoothly. Pup is very excited at doing this type of work and is usually bouncing and very happy. Really quick sit on whistle, no looping, taking first casts and carrying them to piles.
Did 2-3 back piles and he ran straight thru, Did an over, then a couple more back piles then the other over then I sent him on the back pile and as he crossed the apex, he chnged his gait slightly and ran quietly for about a stride and then ran all the way back to the back pile. he is one of those dogs that you can hear run (sounds like a herd of buffalo). Did several more backs and each time he just did that single stride quietly and it seems like I can tell a slight hesitation really hard to tell if he is slowing down, then thunders back. He doesn't turn his head or anything obvious, wouldn't have noticed it except for the sound.
I have been following Evan Grahms books and I just noticed that I skipped "force enroute". At this point (as soon as it stops raining) I am going to do a couple of enroute force sessions.
Do I need to do anything else? I am thinking a ton more backs straight thru vs overs and stopping enroute to back pile? or is it just the pup listening/anticipating?? what else should I do? or do different?

The more I know the more I know I don't know..Ya know?

Without actually being able to see the dog, from your description, it sounds like you have a pretty good handle on what's happening and what the cure is. He's probably just anticipating being stopped.

Depending on the dog, many people will do 5 to 10 run throughs before stopping for the over. It helps keep momentum up in some dogs. A very high drive dog may need less, a lower drive dog may need more.......you will have to read him and decide what's necessary.

Sounds like your on the right track to me.........and it sounds like you have a nice pup there.

I like the last line in your post..............never stop learning.

Good luck
 
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