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Went to the dog park to run some energy off the dog before watching the Packers beat the Steelers yesterday. As I am walking in I notice two guys, one with trench coat (!), and a German Shepherd mix with an e-collar. No big deal, Lars has one and I see them all the time. I start out with these guys a little ways behind me. Soon the GSM is screaming and crying while the guy is shocking him and telling him to come. The dog has NO idea what is happening. After this abuse goes on about 7-8 times in about 30 seconds, seriously, I walk back to the guy and ask if he has trained the dog on the collar, he says "No" (of course), but the dog comes in the house fine (but of course he does). I basically give him a quick synopsis of Evan's leash around the clothesline pole and then tell him he is going to ruin the dog. Meanwhile, the guy in the trench coat is backing away wondering if I am one of those PETA people, his eyes were absolutely HUGE. I turned and walked away.

I wondered which extreme attitude I was going to get. The one "Oh, really? Please tell me more, I love my dog and don't want to hurt him." or the one they want nothing to do with you for the rest of your life. I got the later, of course.

Later on, I realized that I didn't tell him the most important part of collar training: teaching the dog how to turn off the pressure. When I crossed paths with him again I said, "Hey, I don't want to belabor the point but you need to teach your dog how to turn off the pressure." He said, "Yeah, yeah." Didn't say anything else.

While we were in with the group of dogs it was obvious to me this guy needed the collar, or some training, because he spent about a half hour trying to get close enough to the dog to get a leash on it. He wouldn't even look at me, wanted nothing to do with me, too funny. At least he didn't use the collar again at the park that I could see.

When I was thinking about getting a collar, I talked to a lot of people about them and decided they are a good thing. But I also trained myself in the use of them. I didn't just go out and buy one and expect my dog to come when I hit the button. It's truly sad that someone won't take the time to know how to use something and instead "intentionally" hurt another being that they love.
 
Kevin that's the kind of guy who needs the collar wrapped aroud his testicles and turned up to 6 high constant for 5 or 6 full bursts. I hate people like that and I've run into more than a few who want a "shock collar".
 
We can all tell you mean well with dogs, but anytime you offer unsolicited advice to folks it has a way of rubbing them the wrong way.

My advice is to stay away from the dog parks (you'll only drive yourself nuts).
 
We can all tell you mean well with dogs, but anytime you offer unsolicited advice to folks it has a way of rubbing them the wrong way.

My advice is to stay away from the dog parks (you'll only drive yourself nuts).
Along with MYOB!
 
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We can all tell you mean well with dogs, but anytime you offer unsolicited advice to folks it has a way of rubbing them the wrong way.

My advice is to stay away from the dog parks (you'll only drive yourself nuts).
I realize that, but I am not going to watch someone abuse a dog like that. If it rubs them the wrong way, TOO BAD, and I don't want to know them anyway.

Go to dog parks all the time and rarely have a problem. It is a great way to exercise the dogs.
 
I've designed and constructed four dog parks in my area. They're always fun and nice projects to design.

But, it can be excrutiating to attend the Grand Openings. :p

I don't bring my own dogs to the parks except on rare occasions, and then it's more of a professional curiosity thing.
 
Too often the general public thinks that these tools (e-collars, pinch collars, clickers, etc) are magic and when the owner uses them they automatically make the dog do what is wanted.

I have had a more than a couple of people ask me how to use an e-collar and when the explaination goes beyond "just push the button", they are confused. When they realize it will take some work on their part they really lose interest.

So sad for their dogs.
 
I have had a more than a couple of people ask me how to use an e-collar and when the explaination goes beyond "just push the button", they are confused. When they realize it will take some work on their part they really lose interest.
But I bet they can work the TV remote, Their iPhone/Blackberry, and play Wii, X-box, and more :D
 
Some wise trainer once said "It's easy to train the dogs, but H*ll to train the owners".
ITS THE TRUTH- my friend got a golden and I was trying to help him teach the dog obedience- HAHA the dog learned great for the 30 min I was showing him what to do with the pup- talked to him a week later and said the dog isnt learning anything, I went on over and hung out with him and the dog, and come to find out he lays on the couch and he says sit - the dog looks at him and continues to romp around then the guy gets mad because his dog isn't listening- ( the dog has not been properly taught to sit more than twice!) many people like the thought of owning an obedient dog but are not willing to do the work to get them their.
 
I realize that, but I am not going to watch someone abuse a dog like that. If it rubs them the wrong way, TOO BAD, and I don't want to know them anyway.

Go to dog parks all the time and rarely have a problem. It is a great way to exercise the dogs.
Good on you Kevin! More people need to be willing to step up in our society. I am convinced that there would be more people behaving themselves if folks were willing to call them on their misbehavior.
 
Some wise trainer once said "It's easy to train the dogs, but H*ll to train the owners".
I have two intelligent friends that do not understand basic collar conditioning: one a doctor, and the other a cop. You would think they would know better-but THEY DON'T! I have tried "educating", but it has fallen on deaf ears. One dawg is a gorgeous lab, the other a Brittany.

This is the REASON a SHOCK collar can get a bad rap. SAD but true. I bet my 12 year old has been stimulated less than 20 times-all on a very low level. The new pup-- needs more timely correction. But, rest assured--he has been taught, old skool, what behavior is expected,well before the nick. I think it comes down to lack of education and short cuts, and in many cases frustration from the "trainer".

This will get me in trouble, but I have tried to train my wife with her rescue dog--she doesn't get it either. She's a bright gal! I have given up.

Koodo's for trying to help--feel your pain--and the dog's too!
 
So how would y'all feel about requiring a license or some sort of a certification to purchase an e-collar? Just throwing it out there. My feeling is, it is what it is. If "those" people couldn't get an e-collar, then they'd likely just revert to good old whippings. They might even come up with new, crueler ways to display their ignorance.
 
license or some sort of a certification
Who would give out the licenses or certifications?
 
Who would give out the licenses or certifications?
That's a good question, but it's just a hypothetical. There'd have to be some governing body. Bigger government, I suppose.

I didn't elaborate very well in my original post, but my thinking was, it's yahoos like this that give e-collar training a horrible name and provide amunition to those who would like to see their use banned. Then I thought about the thread a while back about Wales banning them and hoped that they would never be banned here. From there, I jumped to the license or certification, possibly as a future hypothetical compromise.
 
it's yahoos like this that give e-collar training a horrible name
There'd have to be some governing body. Bigger government

I'm not all that convinced that government can make yahoos better.

:lol: :lol:
 
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