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Laura McCaw

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Okay, so this stud is the grandsire of one of my pups. I didn't really research health clearance until AFTER I got her... I know, I know... but I have heard good things about this stud.. my question is, I found that he is EIC affected, so I was wondering.. did the EIC never really affect him since he has earned his NFC. I know sometimes you can be affected with the gene, and it not show up until later if ever, so was this his case?

Also, the granddam that is for my pup, I could not find if she was EIC clear which leads me to wonder if the dam of my pup was either a carrier or affected and if it was possible for her to be clear as she had not been tested either since Dewey's Drake (her sire) was affected. I will be checking my girl's EIC status next month, but not worried if she is a carrier. Also her sire, Pirate, is clear, so does that mean there is no way she could be affected?

I apologize as I am sure the way I have worded this is all over the place, lol. It just seems that Drake has accomplished so much and was a wonderful dog although he had EIC. I just didn't know if he ever had any issues when out in the field. Anyways, I am rambling. Any feedback would be appreciated. :)

***Edit*** I apologize if I did not get his titles in his name correct.
 
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The sire of the pup in question is clear, so pup can't be affected. All offspring of an affected parent are either carrier or affected, they cannot be clear.
With EIC, the basics are:
Clear cannot produce affected offspring.
Affected cannot produce clear offspring.
 
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Bryan, you might want to remove that link and just refer to the EIC sticky at the top of the page on this forum, there's a direct link to the University of Minnesota's site that developed the test, along with all pertinent info.
 
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Do you know any personal info on Drake though and how he managed to accomplish great achievement while being affected?

Well the dam bred with Drake that is the result of my pup's dam is High Desert's Nitrous Blast MH, does anyone know if she was clear for EIC? I tried the search here and could not find info on her. So if between her and Drake, the pups are either carrier or affected, that would make my pup's dam either.... so if she happened to be affected, and my pup's sire is clear, are you saying she can't be clear because of an affected parent (IF the dam is affected for instance)... so the most she could be is a carrier since one parent is clear? Sorry I am lost, lol.

I will check out the EIC thread though. Thanks. :)
 
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I would imagine Drake, like lots of other "affected" dogs has never had a collapse or at least not one severe enough that would have made his owner think his dog was affected. Or maybe he managed it well. It doesn't really matter. I had one affected female that never collapsed so that is possible.

The sire of your pup is clear. Your pup CAN NOT BE AFFECTED.

The dam of your dog is either clear, carrier or affected. If she was clear, your pup will be clear. If the dam of your pup was a carrier, your pup has a 50% chance of being clear (or carrier but will not be affected). If the dam of your pup was affected, your pup has 100% chance of being a carrier but will not be affected.

WRL
 
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EIC triggers vary and some dogs never suffer a collapse. Others can't hunt, swim or chase a tennis ball without going down. There are titled EIC affected dogs.

Clear to affected would produce all carrier offspring. Clear to carrier means each pup has a 50% chance of being carrier.

So you can either contact the breeder of your pup and see if the dam was tested and what her EIC status is and go from there or just test the pup, but she can't be affected, no, not with a clear sire.
 
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WRL said:
I would imagine Drake, like lots of other "affected" dogs has never had a collapse or at least not one severe enough that would have made his owner think his dog was affected. Or maybe he managed it well. It doesn't really matter. I had one affected female that never collapsed so that is possible.

The sire of your pup is clear. Your pup CAN NOT BE AFFECTED.

The dam of your dog is either clear, carrier or affected. If she was clear, your pup will be clear. If the dam of your pup was a carrier, your pup has a 50% chance of being clear (or carrier but will not be affected). If the dam of your pup was affected, your pup has 100% chance of being a carrier but will not be affected.

WRL
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Thank you so very much. She is a very very smart pup and 19 weeks tomorrow and already has so much drive and I really have high hopes for her. :) She is my sweet love-bug!
 
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Rainmaker said:
EIC triggers vary and some dogs never suffer a collapse. Others can't hunt, swim or chase a tennis ball without going down. There are titled EIC affected dogs.

Clear to affected would produce all carrier offspring. Clear to carrier means each pup has a 50% chance of being carrier.

So you can either contact the breeder of your pup and see if the dam was tested and what her EIC status is and go from there or just test the pup, but she can't be affected, no, not with a clear sire.
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Thanks for explaining all this to my newbie brain, lol. After I found out about Drake I did contact my pup's breeder and asked if the dam had been tested for EIC but they said she had not been. I will be testing Bella just to know the results but I do not have a problem if she happens to be a carrier.
 
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I got to train with Drake a couple of summers in Virginia, MN. He was a wonderful, pleasant dog. I even got to put my hand over his yellow head a time or two when I was learning to handle dogs. Never saw him go down. Or anything remotely close. You would never have known he had EIC. And to do 10 series at a national just goes to show you that he might have tested EIC affected, but he never showed it.
 
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43x said:
If Drake is affected that would mean Bubba was either a carrier or affected .
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Once again, a dog cannot be affected and throw clear offspring, Bubba has clear offspring, so that leaves carrier.
 
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Frank Price had a couple of litter mates by Drake down here in Oklahoma a few years back. Those girls were the real deal and dominated the derbies.

I think Frank is still a co-owner in one of the pups (Wing Magic's Sandpipe Moon = Piper) who if memory serves me correctly got her FC this past fall.

Rich
 
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I have seen different degrees if you will of Affected dogs. I had an affected dog that was MH by two, had retrieved hundreds and hundreds of ducks and geese and trained as hard as you could dish out, never had an episode. Had another dog affected by EIC again MH titled, hunted very hard and would never have an episode until you threw a stupid 30 yard fun bumper. He would shut right down everytime. You can train around it.
 
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if drake of moon river is your dog's grandsire, the dam is at least a carrier. If her dam was or has been tested clear, they know she is a carrier. Likely they knew that it was either or, and she had not had episodes so they chose a clear stud knowing that likely they would throw half carriers, but at worst they would throw all carriers.
 
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