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When at heel, my 11 month old BLF will not budge on a cold blind unless I say her name to release her, and THEN give her the back command. If I just try to use "back" she's not moving.

Don't get me wrong, she is a super steady dog and I am fine with having to release her by name and give the back. I am just wondering, in a HT, would having to say both be considered a no-go by the judges?

Sorry if that seems like a silly questions to some of you veterans, but this rookie needs to know if that should be addressed before doing a HT

By the way she has been through FTP and did fine. I am not exactly sure when this habit developed.
 
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DarrinGreene said:
the rules don't say what command you have to use, just that she has to go when sent. you can say olli olli oxen free if you want to
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Ummm....yes and NO....

Its really a matter of interpretation.

If you SEND on marks with her name....then use her NAME and BACK on a blind, you may get yourself into trouble.

I used to have a bitch that went on her name. Period. I would cue her with MARK and then send with her name (on marks) or cue her with DEAD BIRD and then send on her NAME (on blinds).

I'd try to get rid of the NAME BACK sequence. Why leave something like that up to the interpretation of the judges?

WRL
 
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There will probably be some judge somewhere who will say you are giving two commands.

Why not just train her to go on back?
 
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Um YES, nowhere in the rules does it say what word or now many words need to be used to send the dog. It simply says that the dog must go when sent.

Anyone who DQ's a dog for a two word command being used to send is making up thier own rules.

That may happen but that don't make it right.
 
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DarrinGreene said:
Um YES, nowhere in the rules does it say what word or now many words need to be used to send the dog. It simply says that the dog must go when sent.

Anyone who DQ's a dog for a two word command being used to send is making up thier own rules.

That may happen but that don't make it right.
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The problem is Darrin, that you are leaving it up to the interpretation of the judges.

With blinds, you can't rule "confusion". On blinds, the dog MUST go when commanded without undue delay.

Before you give advice on a "judging matter" I suggest you take a judging seminar.

WRL
 
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Try stuttering "back" twice on a blind send and get dropped for that. Like WRL says, why leave it open to interpretation? Sure, you can try sending on multiple words, like "get your butt going!", not in the rulebook, but I wouldn't advise it, personally. Heck, I got questioned by a judge because one of my earlier dogs was trained to go on marks on "mark, back!".
 
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If things went in this order, Name ( same as a dead bird cue), then Back,( dog leaves the line ), I would be ok with this. Dead bird, Name, Back, could be unfair when everyone else only gets one Back. I would like for the handler to inform myself, and cojudge before running so we could talk this over. This is something I would talk over with your judges each time to clear up things before you run.
 
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Thanks for the input everybody.

She will GO on her name, she just leaves the line slow, very slow!. Hence the back command. So as long as she leaves the line on her name and then I give the back command when she is a few feet out I should be good right?

Again, it doesnt bother ME that I have to use 2 commands. She is just a meat dog that I decided to run in a few tests. I just wondered how the judges would take it?
 
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Boo Dog said:
She will GO on her name, she just leaves the line slow, very slow!. Hence the back command. So as long as she leaves the line on her name and then I give the back command when she is a few feet out I should be good right?

Again, it doesnt bother ME that I have to use 2 commands. She is just a meat dog that I decided to run in a few tests. I just wondered how the judges would take it?
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Be careful with this. Some judges may just regard this as a handle and others may say you are intimidating the dog. It's a crapshoot and you'd be better off fixing it for a test.
 
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Boo Dog said:
Thanks for the input everybody.

She will GO on her name, she just leaves the line slow, very slow!. Hence the back command. So as long as she leaves the line on her name and then I give the back command when she is a few feet out I should be good right?

Again, it doesnt bother ME that I have to use 2 commands. She is just a meat dog that I decided to run in a few tests. I just wondered how the judges would take it?
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That could be even worse, really. She's very young yet, just clean it up and get her going reliably on "back" only, it will come, this is common.
 
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Boo Dog said:
Thanks for the input everybody.

She will GO on her name, she just leaves the line slow, very slow!. Hence the back command. So as long as she leaves the line on her name and then I give the back command when she is a few feet out I should be good right?

Again, it doesnt bother ME that I have to use 2 commands. She is just a meat dog that I decided to run in a few tests. I just wondered how the judges would take it?
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Hang on there. When you said she went on her name I thought you meant she WENT on her name, meaning with gusto. You never said the crept off the line.

If she creeps off the line on her name and you need a back to reenforce it then NO you're not going to be all right in a test.

Technically you are within the rules but a dog walking two steps forward on her name then getting a big BACK would be viewed poorly and could even be called initimidation depending on the tone you used.
 
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Thanks craig,

I was actually kind of wondering if that was something I could explain to the judges before hand. But again, being a rookie, I wasnt sure if that was allowed.

As for Darrin,

I appreciate the info tremendously, but you have got to calm down. You are cracking me up.
 
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Boo Dog said:
Thanks for the input everybody.

She will GO on her name, she just leaves the line slow, very slow!. Hence the back command. So as long as she leaves the line on her name and then I give the back command when she is a few feet out I should be good right?
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Just my :2c: here I would say you will more than likely get away with it at a SH level but if you run MH they will more than likely drop you....
 
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There will be enough judges that will recognize what's going on if you give 2 backs-it sounds like a force. In a senior if you say back and the dog maybe doesn't hear you there is room for a little confusion, but it can't happen twice. You are allowed one usually. The answer is yes, you should address this before running or you will cause more problems because you can't correct the no go the way you would in training. I think most senior dogs fail more on the blinds than the marks.
 
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Andrew Karamanos said:
I read all the replies on this thread and wonder if any of the replies are from judges?
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I judge.

And as a judge, I would NOT want to leave it up to the "interpretation" of someone else.

And no, "explaining" it is not going to get you through the series.

There is an ACCEPTED method of "handling" and anything outside the norm leaves you open for getting penciled out.

WRL
 
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