Poll- Would you print your catalogue info to help clubs.

Losthwy · Apr 16, 2011

Technology has changed the game. There are DVDs, websites, ecollars, online entries, and many other changes. One being nearly everyone has access to a computer and printer. One major cost of a club hosting a field event is the printing of catalogues. Would you print your catalogue info to help clubs? Or would it be too inconvenient (or other reason) you would not support it.

To give an idea of what printing costs a club and the possible savings here is an example.
In a 250 dog event. The cost to the club for catalogues is $468.76.
Based on $2.50 per catalogue, printing quantity/75% of entries.

John Kelder · Apr 16, 2011

Ummmm ,I sit in the rain ,sun or whatever the weather chucking dead birds. In the grand scheme of things ,hitting the print button isn't a big deal .JMVHO.

Mike Tome · Apr 16, 2011

I'm really not sure what you are asking... you mean just print up a page and hand it to the test secretary? or mail it? I don't get the point....

Losthwy · Apr 16, 2011

Mike Tome said:
I'm really not sure what you are asking... you mean just print up a page and hand it to the test secretary? or mail it? I don't get the point....

Instead of clubs providing catalogues at the event. Those that enter an event print their own (from info posted online) or print just the pages they need. The purpose to help the club eliminate a major cost of putting on an event which is the printing catalogues.

Elaine Mitchell · Apr 17, 2011

If the info were readily available online I'd be fine with skipping (or at least greatly reducing) the printed catalogs. Most of us can pull a website up on our phones/laptops on the go and if the tests grounds are in a remote area with sketchy service you could always print out a copy and take it with you.

I thought they were way cool the first test I went to - couldn't wait to see my dogs name in there. Last test I went to I don't think I even opened it. I've only ever run HRC tests. With the number of walk-ups we have, Finished are usually the only flights that have much information in them anyway.

Change can be a good thing ...

Pheasanttomeetyou · Apr 17, 2011

RealMcRoy said:
If the info were readily available online I'd be fine with skipping (or at least greatly reducing) the printed catalogs. Most of us can pull a website up on our phones/laptops on the go and if the tests grounds are in a remote area with sketchy service you could always print out a copy and take it with you.

that is totally the responsibility of the club. Probably an AKC rule to boot.

It is one thing to enter an event on-line or receive your club's newsletter online.

It is quite another to go to an event where you will need the catalogue to know your running order and be expected to do it yourself.

helencalif · Apr 17, 2011

Catalogs are necessary. Most people will not print out whatever is online at the website of an online entry service. They expect a catalog and at the trials and hunt tests I have been to, everyone asks for one. We even had visitors come to our last hunt test to see what they were all about and I found myself handing out 4 catalogs to 2 couples who came as spectators to watch the Master test I was marshalling.

Speaking as a seasoned f.t. secretary, I can't do without one, but I will not go back to the old days to prepare one and then run to a copy shop to get it printed. The club will not save any money or save much money by doing the work and having it printed at a copy shop.

AKC requires a marked catalog signed by the judges and so does Retriever News so they can print the info in the magazine and also keep tabulations on points and titles.

It is convenient to use the catalogs the online entry service prints and ships. There might be a small savings for clubs, but not much if they do it themselves.

Helen

Elaine Mitchell · Apr 17, 2011

Pheasanttomeetyou said:
that is totally the responsibility of the club. Probably an AKC rule to boot.

It is one thing to enter an event on-line or receive your club's newsletter online.

It is quite another to go to an event where you will need the catalogue to know your running order and be expected to do it yourself.

Yes it's convenient - but not something I NEED. We're running Seasoned in HRC - 80% of those dogs are not even in the catalog. Our line up is done right after the test dog runs.

I do have some friends who run AKC HT's though and have been toying with the idea of giving a Junior test a shot myself. If I recall correctly most tests have running orders posted online a week or so ahead of time. It's easy to print and paper is relatively cheap. If it means the difference in a profit or loss for the club then I don't mind a little inconvenience.

Pheasanttomeetyou · Apr 17, 2011

RealMcRoy said:
Yes it's convenient - but not something I NEED. We're running Seasoned in HRC - 80% of those dogs are not even in the catalog. Our line up is done right after the test dog runs.

I do have some friends who run AKC HT's though and have been toying with the idea of giving a Junior test a shot myself. If I recall correctly most tests have running orders posted online a week or so ahead of time. It's easy to print and paper is relatively cheap. If it means the difference in a profit or loss for the club then I don't mind a little inconvenience.

Perhaps the Thread should only apply to HRC.

You may not need the catalogue. If you forget to take your printed copy, you can just line up with everyone else to continually update where you are in the running the Marshall. I'm sure the stake Marshalls will be tickled pink to know that their club has saved some $$ that weekend.

Just say'in

RedstarKennels · Apr 17, 2011

I don't exactly understand the wording of your Poll.
1) Are you asking if we are willing to create/print our own Premiums and catalogs and manage entries to have cost avoidance in lieu of a 2nd party performing this service?

My Husband created an Access Database Program to do this...for our first sanction A Test....and our Michigan Flyways RC could use it for future events if there exists a need to examine future cost saving measures.

We still use a portion of this feature to download entries from EE(after we "stir the Soup" for running order)... and Import into our Database which formats/prints/ our Judges sheets for our Judges Books by number-running order/Call Name. This still saves us plenty of time and creates uniform pages with the Number/Call Name and the Date(format Day/Date/Year) for benefit of our Judges.

John Lash · Apr 17, 2011

Trials need a catalog... There's sometimes confusion even with a catalog. Most contestants have one in their pocket. People with multiple dogs in multiple stakes often refer to it as they are in the last holding blind. It's organized and stapelled together and gives more information than just your running number. Competitors dog's ages, breeding, other peoples addresses, etc.

As someone else said the AKC forms are in it too. If you print some you might as well print them all. You could easily print less, 1 per handler with some extra. The AKC gets 3 per stake I think.

If you had to you could do without it, and people could print their own pages, but I think that for the relatively small expense it is worth it.

EdA · Apr 17, 2011

My $410 worth of entry fees better come with a free $2.00 catalog

tshuntin · Apr 17, 2011

From a club standpoint, I do not consider catalogues as a major expense for a test. I do not think participants should have to print their own.

HiRollerlabs · Apr 17, 2011

HAS TO BE SENT TO
THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB
AFTER A FIELD TRIAL
At the conclusion of the judging of each stake, a club
holding a licensed or member field trial shall provide,
for the Judges’ signatures, a judging sheet of the stake
judged, showing full particulars of all dogs placed. At
the conclusion of the trial, the Field Trial Secretary
shall certify the Judges’ signatures on each judging
sheet and shall certify the number of entries and

starters in each stake.

A marked catalog can be submitted

in place of the Judges’ sheets.

The judging sheets, inserted in the covers of the
judging book, and a full report of the trial, shall be sent
to The American Kennel Club so as to reach The
American Kennel Club no later than seven days after
the closing date of the trial. Penalty for non-compliance
is twenty-five dollars ($25.00), and five dollars ($5.00)
for each day’s delay beyond the deadline, and other
such penalties as may be imposed by the Board of
Directors of The American Kennel Club.
The trial report shall contain a list of the names of all
members of the Field Trial Committee who were present
at the trial, the names and complete addresses of
all the Judges, and the name and address of the Field
Trial Secretary, and the full names and addresses of all
persons present at the draw.

Clubs could use the brown judges' sheets that come from the AKC to record placements, and omit the running order catalog. However, I like to have a catalog at the trial and there might be mutany if entrants didn't have a catalog.

Catalogs are a significant expense to the club. Having produced catalogs prior to Entry Express, I would NOT be willing to do it anymore. It's just too much work.

Could an Event Secretary accept the entries, make up a sheet like we can print off of EE.net that shows the dogs' running order numbers and provide that list of dogs at the event to handlers? For the AKC, the Event Secretary could complete the brown judges' sheets that come in the kit from the AKC, and be in compliance. The Event Secretary would also have to provide Marshals with the list of dogs (same as provided to the entrants). I'm not in favor of it, but it seems a club could do this and be in compliance with AKC rules.

Poll- Would you print your catalogue info to help clubs.

Poll- Would you favour printing your own catalogue info to help clubs?

I would print my own info to help clubs

Too inconvenient (or other reason) I wouldn't support it.

Losthwy

John Kelder

Mike Tome

Losthwy

Elaine Mitchell

Pheasanttomeetyou

helencalif

Elaine Mitchell

Pheasanttomeetyou

RedstarKennels

John Lash

EdA

tshuntin

HiRollerlabs

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