I know I have seen something on here of pictures with some lines, etc added to show Derby setups. Has anyone had any of these for any Senior Hunt Tests? I will be going to watch my first one next month, but I thought I would ask as pictures and diagrams are much more helpful and detailed than reading the rulebook.
Senior Hunt Test setups
Jason Anderson
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Thanks for posting zman looks like some decent marks. I really like this one. Is that in the water or far shore?
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so Zman what did you think of the saturday test overall!
I thought both days tests were great. I had no complaints, and really enjoyed the grounds and judges.
I will say that what I enjoyed about the test that you and Allen set up on Saturday was the blind on both land and water. Very challenging, with some interesting concepts.
I would like to thank you both for giving up your weekend to give back. I appreciate it, as it gave me a chance to get the SH title on my dog.
Doug Zahniser (Dog #5 on Saturday) (if you would like to PM me any feedback on areas to improve, it would be much appreciated)
I will say that what I enjoyed about the test that you and Allen set up on Saturday was the blind on both land and water. Very challenging, with some interesting concepts.
I would like to thank you both for giving up your weekend to give back. I appreciate it, as it gave me a chance to get the SH title on my dog.
Doug Zahniser (Dog #5 on Saturday) (if you would like to PM me any feedback on areas to improve, it would be much appreciated)
Our first AKC Sr Hunt Test...
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First series: A walk up, land water split double, started with a check-down memory bird, then the live flyer. A diversion shot was fired after return with the memory bird from the live flyer station. Finally, the blind was run behind and downwind of the live flyer. He hunted long on the memory bird and could not see him as soon as he went by it because the line was below. He fought with me when I tried to line him up on the blind which resulted with a quick whistle. He handled pretty good though. We then honored to the memory bird side with me on a bucket, in-between him and the working dog. He was a handful in the holding blinds.
Second series: Another land water split double. The memory bird was launched in the water and then the flyer from the field. A diversion shot was again fired during the return of the memory bird (when he climbed out of the water). Because of the hidden gun and the brush along the edge of the pond, the memory bird was only visible for a half of its flight time. I decided to heel him on my right to “push’ his attention from the live flyer station. We had a handle to burn if need be. The wind kicked up on the blind big time. I made it tougher by lining him way off to the left.
Need to work on: Steadiness, Check down marks, initial lining and overall Blind teamwork.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwjLxGrtd9Q
JW
First series: A walk up, land water split double, started with a check-down memory bird, then the live flyer. A diversion shot was fired after return with the memory bird from the live flyer station. Finally, the blind was run behind and downwind of the live flyer. He hunted long on the memory bird and could not see him as soon as he went by it because the line was below. He fought with me when I tried to line him up on the blind which resulted with a quick whistle. He handled pretty good though. We then honored to the memory bird side with me on a bucket, in-between him and the working dog. He was a handful in the holding blinds.
Second series: Another land water split double. The memory bird was launched in the water and then the flyer from the field. A diversion shot was again fired during the return of the memory bird (when he climbed out of the water). Because of the hidden gun and the brush along the edge of the pond, the memory bird was only visible for a half of its flight time. I decided to heel him on my right to “push’ his attention from the live flyer station. We had a handle to burn if need be. The wind kicked up on the blind big time. I made it tougher by lining him way off to the left.
Need to work on: Steadiness, Check down marks, initial lining and overall Blind teamwork.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwjLxGrtd9Q
JW
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Our first AKC Sr Hunt Test...
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Where did you get this view? What program/service? I love the graphics you added, what program did you use?
The first series the memory bird was about 65 yards the go bird was about 80 yards the blind about 80 yards.
Second series both marks were about 50-60 yards with the blind about 80 yards. Loved the land-water doubles for both series, good practice for masters
Thanks
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Here's a diagram of a Senior water series I recall running.
Go bird was a flyer landing in water about 20 yards away. Definitely a breaking bird that tested control. Very tempting for the high rollers with the shooting close to the line and the mark landing with a big splash.
Memory mark was about 85 yards also landing in water near decoys. Longish open water swim. Most dogs that made the swim did nicely on the mark. Some dogs made the swim to the other shore and started hunting on land.
Blind was about 60-65 yards that required exiting water onto a point that had heavy cover and then a re-entry into the water. Some dogs that got onto the first point had a hard time casting back into the water and started hunting the cover.
Hope that helps.
This may be a little off topic, but does this setup meet the requirements for a senior test? I appreciate the creativity, but I personnally don't believe 2 combo marking series is consistent with "one double land mark, and one double water mark."Our first AKC Sr Hunt Test...
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First series: A walk up, land water split double, started with a check-down memory bird, then the live flyer. A diversion shot was fired after return with the memory bird from the live flyer station. Finally, the blind was run behind and downwind of the live flyer. He hunted long on the memory bird and could not see him as soon as he went by it because the line was below. He fought with me when I tried to line him up on the blind which resulted with a quick whistle. He handled pretty good though. We then honored to the memory bird side with me on a bucket, in-between him and the working dog. He was a handful in the holding blinds.
Second series: Another land water split double. The memory bird was launched in the water and then the flyer from the field. A diversion shot was again fired during the return of the memory bird (when he climbed out of the water). Because of the hidden gun and the brush along the edge of the pond, the memory bird was only visible for a half of its flight time. I decided to heel him on my right to “push’ his attention from the live flyer station. We had a handle to burn if need be. The wind kicked up on the blind big time. I made it tougher by lining him way off to the left.
Need to work on: Steadiness, Check down marks, initial lining and overall Blind teamwork.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwjLxGrtd9Q
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Both Senior tests that weekend were land-water for all series so at least 4 judges think it is OK. I really did like it, thought it was fun, but I passed both days, so I may be biased...
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Actually it is very hard to find water to train on in the southwest. Pretty easy to find sand dunes and sagebrush though.
And there can be some severe drawbacks to running a test at the place you train everyday. Judges seem to never put the blinds at your "permenants" but rather where you have created a hotspot for your dog the week before. Or the memory bird falls just behind the dike that you have been teaching your dog to either channel by or go over and drive to the far shore. And for some reason all the judges seem to fight over the pond that you did your waterforce/water tee/swimby on and want to do an angle across it, or run right next to it. Junior dogs that know how to run around every pond vs out of town dogs that don't know where the levees and dikes are. And since all we have is technical water, judges tend to set up technical tests.
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Many of our clubs in MN/WI are man-made/enhanced, highly technical water. Testing on "home" grounds is not necessarily an advantage. The dogs have seen pictures there, might have run some drills, marks, blinds, on the same water the test is run on a short time later, have had that happen several times. Many of us who run HT/FT train all over for that reason, vs having our dogs get habituated to a particular field/water.
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Quite the contrary.
My dog was "popping" on water blinds earlier this year.
I trained him on a pond on the WATKC grounds.
50 yards down a hill, 50 yards across the pond, 50 yards up the hill on the back side of the pond.
We ran the SH test on the exact pond we trained on.
Nice easy 40yard + mark.
He hit the water, hit the bank, dropped it down a gear and put the hammer down.
I stopped him about 25-30 yards up the hill.
The familiarity caused an issue for us.
Lesson learned, won't do that again.
RK
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