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#41 ·
It wasn't Bold Tiger but Trieven Thunderhead, who I linebreed on along along with Abe, and Pachanga Magnum Force.:D
 
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#43 ·
FOM said:
So I'm going to ask a question that might get me flamed - but does stacking a dog help hide some of its structural flaws or at least make them appear less obvious?

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A good handler's job is to maximize the good and hide the less than good. Stacking can make a difference, but it can't cover up really obvious flaws. I know handlers in breeds where a wicket is used to measure who have taught the dog to slouch when a wicket is placed over them so they won't exceed the height limit. For example, a dog with less than ideal angles behind will look less post legged if it stands a bit under itself. Much depends on the judge, too. A good handler can fool a less than knowledgable judge....but a judge that really understands structure and movement will see right through it.
 
#45 ·
Yes, but it won't fool most judges. The handlers are asked to gait the dog away from the judge, toward the judge, and around the ring so that the judge can see the dogs coming and going, as well as from the side. When you bring the dog back in to the judge coming toward him/her, you have to "free stack" which means the dog just halts and you cannot touch him to arrange his feet. When you finish your "go around" the ring, you also free stack the dog while the judge looks on.
So yes, in theory, it helps hide some structural flaws but in practice, it doesn't make as much difference as people think it does.

FOM said:
So I'm going to ask a question that might get me flamed - but does stacking a dog help hide some of its structural flaws or at least make them appear less obvious?

FOM
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#46 ·
Interesting that most of the dogs mentioned seem to be Chocolate. Is this because they were the last color to come to the field out of the show stock and retain there breeding for structure, better than the other colors?
 
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I have a brood bitch out of 'Honest Abe' to 1998 NFC AFC Abe's Ebony & Ivory to 'Jesse' to my Jolor's Sunshine Splendor. Recently, I had Sunny bred and stud owner Tim Melham is taking a pup....because after spending 5 days with her, during the breeding, his statement was that he likes her...and I'll quote: "I like how she's put together." Yep, I agree, Honest Abe does throw some good looking Labs...even to the 3rd generation...and hopefully beyond.
I think the Cosmo's lines are truly handsome too. At least the 3 dogs that I know are: Buster, Blue and Deuce (3 of Sunny's recent stud dogs) All three are grandson's of Cosmo (FC/AFC Dare to Dream is in the same place in all 3 of the dog's pedigrees) Might I add again...all three are great looking dudes, however, I place more emphasis on field performance than looks, but looks sure don't hurt, either! (2010 NAFC FC Fourleaf's Ice Breaker, AFC Carbons Blue Pursuit & Four Wind's Harley D MH QAA)
Should of read the thread before posting....I am not a show dog lady, and am quite certain mine wouldn't win in a ring...I just know what I like to see. Sunny has great angulation and is a fine looking Lab TO ME...beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I am not a conformation judge by any means. I call her my Big Blond Bombshell. LOL
 
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#48 ·
Abe did throw some very nice looking dogs along with Way to Go Rocky. Watermarks the Boss, same thing.

But having said that I can't say they threw great structure. But they were attractive, larger boned dogs.

I know Shaq improved a bitch I trained rear angulation and second thigh in the puppies. Candlewood's Hawkeye Shadow was very good looking and cool to watch run.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I do show/field cross's it's very difficult to find a structurally correct field dog. You get pieces that are good and you use those pieces hopefully to improve the bitch, which in my case is usually show bred.

The ugliest dog, although the smartest dog I've ever owned was out of Cosmo. She made your eyes water.... LOL

Angie
 
#49 ·
Hunt'EmUp said:
Interesting that most of the dogs mentioned seem to be Chocolate. Is this because they were the last color to come to the field out of the show stock and retain there breeding for structure, better than the other colors?
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Not really.Trieven Thunderhead, Abe, Rocky, Boss, Jazztime, Jazz's Rascal are all Black. Howdy was by LM (black) and Tayduh who was chocolate. I owned 2 brothers and they were both good looking. Pachanga was by Bold Tiger by Trieven Thunderhead.
 
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#52 ·
If you want a competitive field trial Labrador Retriever you have three basic options to choose from as your first option.

1. Ability
2. Color
3. Conformation

Which choice does not limit your options?

Breeding for conformation and/or color automatically affects the choice of sire and dam.
 
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EdA said:
If you want a competitive field trial Labrador Retriever you have three basic options to choose from as your first option.

1. Ability
2. Color
3. Conformation

Which choice does not limit your options?

Breeding for conformation and/or color automatically affects the choice of sire and dam.
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Ssssshhhhh,,, Ability will limit your options depending on what you're working with and where you want to go.. ;-)

Where are those limitless choices when breeding???

Angie
 
#57 ·
No ugly dog picking up the last bird in the fourth series.
 
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