I have been working on force to pile for over two weeks now. Fairly simple exercise and my pup has a good grasp of it. Now the tricky part, getting him to stop to pile. I have been using a lead and letting him run to the pile and about half way blowing a sit whistle and gradually applying pressure with the lead for him to sit. Only one problem he does not turn around and sit facing me, he will sit facing the pile with back towards me. Kind of funny, because its frustrating but at the same time the dog is doing as told. I am sure I am doing something wrong. How do you correct that action? How do I get the dog to turn and sit facing me? I am following the flow chart from evan graham and hoping to start some casting drills. But if I can't get my pup to sit facing me then casting will obviously not work. Am I going about this the wrong way?
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I have been working on force to pile for over two weeks now. Fairly simple exercise and my pup has a good grasp of it. Now the tricky part, getting him to stop to pile. I have been using a lead and letting him run to the pile and about half way blowing a sit whistle and gradually applying pressure with the lead for him to sit. Only one problem he does not turn around and sit facing me, he will sit facing the pile with back towards me. Kind of funny, because its frustrating but at the same time the dog is doing as told. I am sure I am doing something wrong. How do you correct that action? How do I get the dog to turn and sit facing me? I am following the flow chart from evan graham and hoping to start some casting drills. But if I can't get my pup to sit facing me then casting will obviously not work. Am I going about this the wrong way?
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get um to sit comming to you first away from pile work
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Find yourself a quality training program to follow such as Mike Lardy's Total Retriever Training (Link above). This procedure is explained in great detail.
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Try a quick "here" toot on the whistle, and then as he turns give him a quick a "sit" whistle.
Me at same point in training my first pup, this works for us.
Edit: this is to resit pup after he sits the wrong way...I think eventually the pup is supposed to figure out that he is always supposed to sit facing you. I'm using lardy.
Me at same point in training my first pup, this works for us.
Edit: this is to resit pup after he sits the wrong way...I think eventually the pup is supposed to figure out that he is always supposed to sit facing you. I'm using lardy.
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Seems to me he's already wearing the right tool. Use your check cord to stop him pretty abruptly (without yanking his head off, of course) AND get him facing you. Where you say you're stopping him gradually, that makes me think you're teaching a slow sit. I don't claim to be an expert, but this has worked well for me.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I really Need to invest on either Evan Graham or mike lardy dvd's. I hear great things about the both of them. I have downloaded the flow chart and have been following that for the most part. For the rest of the how to's I just google video training videos and ask for demonstratations from the more experienced handlers during our training days. You get to a point in the training where you just have to cough up the 150 dollars if you want to get into the more advanced training.
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Total retriever training
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Are you just following my flow chart, or are you following my system? If so, you have a good program, and it does not involve stop to pile yet. BTW, you can get my entire system at about $25 per item, and acquire it as you need each item.
The casting begins now in 3-handed casting. Then CC-to-Sit/whistle, and then Mini-T where your dog will begin to go, stop, and cast on a small scale prior to full scale T work. Any of that ring a bell?
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I am following the flowchart. I have completed formal obedience with my pup. We have worked on singles and doubles on land and water. Some triples... We have worked on steady, deliver to hand and, hand deliveries to heel. He is coming along very well. I have been placing piles of bumpers and getting my pup to heel and send him to retrieve one by one. We have increased the distance as he started to grasp the concept. I am now trying to get him to sit to pile and work on casting. Not at the same time obviously but sit to pile first and then work on baseball drills as casting exercises.
I was not aware you could purchase single dvd's, that is good to know. Thanks for the info.
This, plus the recommendation that Evan was a more easily understood system for new trainers, is what caused me to go to his program. Very very glad for the ability to piece the DVDs together as I needed them and spread the cost out over the last year.
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Yes, get yourself a program to work with. In the meantime, if you first teach sit to whistle on leash at your side, and then practice it w/ dog coming TO YOU, as Ken mentioned (place dog in front of pile, call partway to you, tweet/'sit', then he is sitting facing you and you cast him back to pile) that provides a transition to sit on whistle going away from you and makes it easier for dog to 'get'. Not sure exactly how all the various programs address this however.
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