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Many dogs start in HTs and move on to FTs, but it certainly isn't the general rule.

An FC would be more valuable than a MH, ceteris paribus, but unless it is a once in a lifetime stud, you aren't likely to make a profit on either.
 
I got a cold beer some DA is going to swim up and take that bait.

Catch and release regards

Bubba
 
I'd say some dogs do go from hunt tests to field trials, and even more hunt test dogs try the minor stakes at a trial or two but aren't what I'd call field trial dogs.

I bet many of the trial handlers start out in hunt tests and move up to field trials and become field trialers.
 
Do dogs (retrievers) generally progress through hunt tests to field trials?

All else being equal, which dog is more valuable, the MH or Field trial Champion?
IMO, dogs are best prepared for either/both games, if trained for their first 18 mos as if they are going to run FTs (marking distances) using a Lardy style training approach. At that point, the dog's skill set can be tailored to either game without backing up in training. If trained in that manner, an 18 month old dog can already run a master level blind, and has developing lining skills that will suit him well for either the HT or FT game before the game specific skills are conditioned.

Alternately, if trained first specifically to compete in HTs, most (not all) dogs lacking FT marking distance training (appropriate to the dog's age) during the first 18 mos seem to have a very diffcult transition to AA FT distances, especially very long retired marks.

As to value, while some folks are realizing that a MH titled dog might have personality attributes best suited for the HT game, most folks, HT & FT, look to FCs for breeding stock which makes the FC more valuable.
 
Started running ht in 2002 still remember getting a junior title on pyzon. Not many times in my life I've been so proud. when I won my first qualifing I got the news by phone while I was picking up my duck boat. The whole shop could hear me hoot and hollering with excitement
Went to watch my first ft in 2004 and new that's what I wanted to achieve. Them dogs I was watching were cool didn't know who they were but man they were good. I was at the Tacoma trial carbon, chopper, and auggie were the dogs that had put that impression on me. Thanks oly and frank for helping me drain my bank account ;);) so anyway I've been chasing a placement since.
 
I bet many of the trial handlers start out in hunt tests and move up to field trials and become field trialers.

Howard, I'm guessing that the smart ones stick to hunt tests. :cool:
 
Do dogs (retrievers) generally progress through hunt tests to field trials?

All else being equal, which dog is more valuable, the MH or Field trial Champion?
I've seen several dogs do both,but most people will pursue one venue or another,not often both,I've run both,but if there is a trial and a test on the same weekend I'm going to the trial.

In my area the MH dogs run in the Qual,we don't often see them run in the Open.

As to value of a dog no one is going to pay really big dollars for a MH,but good Open dogs often sell for a lot of money.
 
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Some said that a comparison would be that a hunt test be like a club golf tournament, where good golfers play, but the field trial is more like a PGA tournament, where professionals play.

Would you agree with that or is that an overstatement?
 
Across the entire country in a year's time, around 50-60 dogs earn the FC title.

MH? ... not sure but I would guess many hundreds.

JS
 
Some said that a comparison would be that a hunt test be like a club golf tournament, where good golfers play, but the field trial is more like a PGA tournament, where professionals play.

Would you agree with that or is that an overstatement?
I don't agree at all. Even the club golf tournament names the best golfer that day. Bigest difference, FT find the best dog that trial, ht there can be a huge difference in performance between two dogs and both get a pass.
 
Hunt tests are like stroke play at a regular round of golf. The objective is to show your dog can shoot par or better.

Field trials are like a golf tournament, low score wins, next lowest gets second....

Don't overthink this stuff. ;)
 
Since we're talking golf...

It is very possible for the average hacker to eventually put a MH title on a decent dog that he trained himself. It is virtually impossible for the average hacker to achieve FC/AFC with a dog he trained himself.
 
I got a cold beer some DA is going to swim up and take that bait.

Catch and release regards

Bubba
No you don't. I drank all your beer while you was doing charity work

/Paul
 
Hunt tests are like stroke play at a regular round of golf. The objective is to show your dog can shoot par or better.

Field trials are like a golf tournament, low score wins, next lowest gets second....

Don't overthink this stuff. ;)
I agree here...HT's are benchmarks and its meant to be that way. FT's are competitive, meant to be that way. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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