[Big Chief]

Hi Folks,

My dog has been struggling with allergies on and off. My vet thought they were seasonal, and they have been fairly good since the snow fell here in late November (Northern Canada). In any event, he's scratching again, so it's back to the clinic. My vet has given me a course of antibiotics and Apoquel in the past, and it has worked well, but it's dang expensive ($3 pill). I was chatting with my breeder today and she told me her vet took one of her dogs off Apoquel and put her on Vanectyl-P, which worked very well, and it is 1/3 the price.

My question for you folks is if you have had a dog with allergies on Vanectyl-P long-term, and if there were adverse side effects?

My wife lost her job of 20 years right before Christmas, and with a kid in university, pennies are tight.

Thanks in advance.

PS: Can we please keep the answers to your experience with Vanectyl-P, and not food, as I have tried him on multiple foods, and none made any perceptible difference, so we have ruled that out.

PPS: This is a great site. So informative.

 

[Renee P.]

I sent you PM.

 

[Daren Galloway]

I don't know the price point exactly, but depending on longevity i have had good luck with Cytapoint. Its a shot, I give it once every 6 weeks to be safe, but its labeled up to 8. Something to discuss with your vet and possibly try. For me it was a connivence factor over Apoquel. 1 shot every 8 weeks vs a pill a day.

Possibly you've tried this but I have 1 dog that I only have a ½ an apoquel too, the vet it shouldn't work, but it did.

 

[Windjammer]

I don't know the price point exactly, but depending on longevity i have had good luck with Cytapoint. Its a shot, I give it once every 6 weeks to be safe, but its labeled up to 8. Something to discuss with your vet and possibly try. For me it was a connivence factor over Apoquel. 1 shot every 8 weeks vs a pill a day.

Possibly you've tried this but I have 1 dog that I only have a ½ an apoquel too, the vet it shouldn't work, but it did.

We also stopped using Apoquel, and switched to Cytapoint. Like Darren, our Lab gets a shot once every 6ish weeks. We found that it usually starts working in 24 hours, and has been very effective.

 

[EdA]

The OP was posing a question comparing Apoquel to Vanectyl-P (Temaril P in the US).
They are very different products with very different modes of action and a detailed description is unwarranted. The “p” part of Temaril-P is prednisolone, a corticosteroid. It is quite effective at relieving pruritis (itching) but due to the corticosteroid I only prescribe it for short treatment periods or pulse therapy. I consider it a poor choice for long term continuous useage. I have found as others have observed that Cytopoint injections are equally or more effective than Apoquel, cost effective for midsize and larger dogs, and much more convenient for the owner. If you are currently using Cytopoint or plan to ask your veterinarian about dispensing the product for at home injection.

 

[labsforme]

What others have said. We switched to Cytopoint because after a year on Apoquel my BLF developed a wise spread skin infection and lesions on her belly. Doc Ed would be the most informed as the differences in Apoquel vs Cytopoint.

Jeff

 

[outdoordave]

I am curious as to what others post here, because I also have a dog on apoquel.

 

[labsforme]

from the website:IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION
Do not use APOQUEL in dogs less than 12 months of age or those with serious infections. APOQUEL may increase the chances of developing serious infections, and may cause existing parasitic skin infestations or pre-existing cancers to get worse. APOQUEL has not been tested in dogs receiving some medications including some commonly used to treat skin conditions such as corticosteroids and cyclosporine. Do not use in breeding, pregnant, or lactating dogs. Most common side effects are vomiting and diarrhea. APOQUEL has been used safely with many common medications including parasiticides, antibiotics and vaccines.

Cytopoint
ADVERSE EVENTS REPORTED IN >2% OF DOGS IN A FIELD SAFETY STUDY1†
ABNORMAL HEALTH EVENT PREFERRED TERM Placebo (N = 83 dogs) CYTOPOINT (N = 162 dogs)
Otitis Externa 12.0% (10) 13.0% (21)
Dermatitis 13.3% (11) 9.9% (16)
Bacterial Skin Infection 12.0% (10) 9.3% (15)
Erythema 4.8% (4) 8.0% (13)
Vomiting 10.8% (9) 7.4% (12)
Anorexia 4.8% (4) 6.2% (10)
Lethargy 6.0% (5) 5.6% (9)
Pruritus 19.3% (16) 4.9% (8)
Diarrhea 4.8% (4) 3.7% (6)
Alopecia 7.2% (6) 2.5% (4)

We have had no side effects with Cytopoint now for 3 years. Actively trialing and hunting with a good coat now. No need during the winter here in Montana.

Jeff

 

[Mark Sehon]

Cytopoint for me!!!

 

[EdA]

Our experience at my practice including my own dog mirrors client satisfaction with Cytopoint. Clients always grumble a bit about costly therapy but when it works their dissatisfaction is muted. I do not recall anyone who tried Cytopoint on their allergic dog who did not continue using it.

 

[DoubleHaul]

The OP was posing a question comparing Apoquel to Vanectyl-P (Temaril P in the US).
They are very different products with very different modes of action and a detailed description is unwarranted. The “p” part of Temaril-P is prednisolone, a corticosteroid. It is quite effective at relieving pruritis (itching) but due to the corticosteroid I only prescribe it for short treatment periods or pulse therapy. I consider it a poor choice for long term continuous useage. I have found as others have observed that Cytopoint injections are equally or more effective than Apoquel, cost effective for midsize and larger dogs, and much more convenient for the owner. If you are currently using Cytopoint or plan to ask your veterinarian about dispensing the product for at home injection.

Thanks for the excellent information, Dr. Ed. I have a dog with severe allergies and apoquel has done wonders but always interested in the latest. Would not want to use anything with a corticosteroid for long term therapy (and am pretty sure my vet would not either) but will definitely speak to to him about cytopoint as it seems like it might be simpler. Is it a subcutaneous injection?

 

[EdA]

Thanks for the excellent information, Dr. Ed. I have a dog with severe allergies and apoquel has done wonders but always interested in the latest. Would not want to use anything with a corticosteroid for long term therapy (and am pretty sure my vet would not either) but will definitely speak to to him about cytopoint as it seems like it might be simpler. Is it a subcutaneous injection?

Yes it is injected subcutaneously at 4-8 week intervals.

 

[Alternater43]

Our vet said it's good to purchase an air purifier for the room where dog sleeps to prevent her allergies developing. We have airmega 300 in the whole house. Anyway, it can't do any worse. It will help you to get rid of dust in the air and any pet smells.

 

[Jennifer H]

Hi Folks,

My dog has been struggling with allergies on and off. My vet thought they were seasonal, and they have been fairly good since the snow fell here in late November (Northern Canada). In any event, he's scratching again, so it's back to the clinic. My vet has given me a course of antibiotics and Apoquel in the past, and it has worked well, but it's dang expensive ($3 pill). I was chatting with my breeder today and she told me her vet took one of her dogs off Apoquel and put her on Vanectyl-P, which worked very well, and it is 1/3 the price.

My question for you folks is if you have had a dog with allergies on Vanectyl-P long-term, and if there were adverse side effects?

My wife lost her job of 20 years right before Christmas, and with a kid in university, pennies are tight.

Thanks in advance.

PS: Can we please keep the answers to your experience with Vanectyl-P, and not food, as I have tried him on multiple foods, and none made any perceptible difference, so we have ruled that out.

PPS: This is a great site. So informative.

My dog went downhill on Apoquel. I had him on Vanneckyl for seasonal allergies last summer and it was cheaper and worked well. It just took a bit of planning to wean him off gradually. With Apoquel my dog developed a rash on his groin area and black discoloration so I was worried that he may be allergic to it. Also, I read a European study that showed only after 2-3 months growths or tumors enlarged. My dog had small growths in his ears from being 2nd generation raised in US and Canada but his parents or grandparents were around Chernobyl. The breeder died and the dogs were taken to US and Canada. His mother had small growths too. As soon as I took him off Apoquel his growths became smaller. As well I was giving my dog Pawchi Hemp oil that is known to reduce tumors. My dog is now 12 and doing well. He's only on Vanneckyl for hayfever, ragweed and grass allergies. By the fall, he stops itching and goes back to normal. This summer has been the worse for seasonal allergies. Despite that apoquel stops allergies right away, I would not recommend it, even it Vet says it's safe. Not enough long term studies done. Some breeds are more sensitive than others so you can't rely on general research.

 

[David Maddox]

from the website:IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION
Do not use APOQUEL in dogs less than 12 months of age or those with serious infections. APOQUEL may increase the chances of developing serious infections, and may cause existing parasitic skin infestations or pre-existing cancers to get worse. APOQUEL has not been tested in dogs receiving some medications including some commonly used to treat skin conditions such as corticosteroids and cyclosporine. Do not use in breeding, pregnant, or lactating dogs. Most common side effects are vomiting and diarrhea. APOQUEL has been used safely with many common medications including parasiticides, antibiotics and vaccines.

Cytopoint
ADVERSE EVENTS REPORTED IN >2% OF DOGS IN A FIELD SAFETY STUDY1†
ABNORMAL HEALTH EVENT PREFERRED TERM Placebo (N = 83 dogs) CYTOPOINT (N = 162 dogs)
Otitis Externa 12.0% (10) 13.0% (21)
Dermatitis 13.3% (11) 9.9% (16)
Bacterial Skin Infection 12.0% (10) 9.3% (15)
Erythema 4.8% (4) 8.0% (13)
Vomiting 10.8% (9) 7.4% (12)
Anorexia 4.8% (4) 6.2% (10)
Lethargy 6.0% (5) 5.6% (9)
Pruritus 19.3% (16) 4.9% (8)
Diarrhea 4.8% (4) 3.7% (6)
Alopecia 7.2% (6) 2.5% (4)

We have had no side effects with Cytopoint now for 3 years. Actively trialing and hunting with a good coat now. No need during the winter here in Montana.

Jeff

Hi Folks,

My dog has been struggling with allergies on and off. My vet thought they were seasonal, and they have been fairly good since the snow fell here in late November (Northern Canada). In any event, he's scratching again, so it's back to the clinic. My vet has given me a course of antibiotics and Apoquel in the past, and it has worked well, but it's dang expensive ($3 pill). I was chatting with my breeder today and she told me her vet took one of her dogs off Apoquel and put her on Vanectyl-P, which worked very well, and it is 1/3 the price.

My question for you folks is if you have had a dog with allergies on Vanectyl-P long-term, and if there were adverse side effects?

My wife lost her job of 20 years right before Christmas, and with a kid in university, pennies are tight.

Thanks in advance.

PS: Can we please keep the answers to your experience with Vanectyl-P, and not food, as I have tried him on multiple foods, and none made any perceptible difference, so we have ruled that out.

PPS: This is a great site. So informative.

My dog went downhill on Apoquel. I had him on Vanneckyl for seasonal allergies last summer and it was cheaper and worked well. It just took a bit of planning to wean him off gradually. With Apoquel my dog developed a rash on his groin area and black discoloration so I was worried that he may be allergic to it. Also, I read a European study that showed only after 2-3 months growths or tumors enlarged. My dog had small growths in his ears from being 2nd generation raised in US and Canada but his parents or grandparents were around Chernobyl. The breeder died and the dogs were taken to US and Canada. His mother had small growths too. As soon as I took him off Apoquel his growths became smaller. As well I was giving my dog Pawchi Hemp oil that is known to reduce tumors. My dog is now 12 and doing well. He's only on Vanneckyl for hayfever, ragweed and grass allergies. By the fall, he stops itching and goes back to normal. This summer has been the worse for seasonal allergies. Despite that apoquel stops allergies right away, I would not recommend it, even it Vet says it's safe. Not enough long term studies done. Some breeds are more sensitive than others so you can't rely on general research.

Hi Folks,

My dog has been struggling with allergies on and off. My vet thought they were seasonal, and they have been fairly good since the snow fell here in late November (Northern Canada). In any event, he's scratching again, so it's back to the clinic. My vet has given me a course of antibiotics and Apoquel in the past, and it has worked well, but it's dang expensive ($3 pill). I was chatting with my breeder today and she told me her vet took one of her dogs off Apoquel and put her on Vanectyl-P, which worked very well, and it is 1/3 the price.

My question for you folks is if you have had a dog with allergies on Vanectyl-P long-term, and if there were adverse side effects?

My wife lost her job of 20 years right before Christmas, and with a kid in university, pennies are tight.

Thanks in advance.

PS: Can we please keep the answers to your experience with Vanectyl-P, and not food, as I have tried him on multiple foods, and none made any perceptible difference, so we have ruled that out.

PPS: This is a great site. So inform

 

[David Maddox]

I know zero about Vanectyl, but did have success while my pup was on Apoquel.
I hated the every morning pill🥴. A vet friend of mine suggested Cytopoint. So I changed, and glad that I did. It put an end to a pill every morning…yahoo!!!
Her first injection lasted quite a while for my girl. Her first shot was at the beginning of January and her second at the beginning of June. Still no scratching (👊👊👊on wood).

 

[Jennifer H]

I know zero about Vanectyl, but did have success while my pup was on Apoquel.
I hated the every morning pill🥴. A vet friend of mine suggested Cytopoint. So I changed, and glad that I did. It put an end to a pill every morning…yahoo!!!
Her first injection lasted quite a while for my girl. Her first shot was at the beginning of January and her second at the beginning of June. Still no scratching (👊👊👊on wood).

Will give it a try next year.

 

[Eric Johnson]

The maker of Apoquel offers a rebate though I don't know how much yet. Sign on to their site, tell about your pruchase, copy the invoice, and email that to them. I'm told that in 5 days or so I'll know what the amount is.