You mentioned Pete, would that be Franklins Pickpocket for Kerrybrook CH/MH, Pete?

Yes. I currently have Pete daughter pups sired by FC Candlewoods Meet Joe Black.

 

Old post but I stumbled on with great info. I do believe a dual could happen again but not without the right breeding, the right owner, the right trainer. That is a lot of right stuff. I had a 100% field trial dog who could have done both. I had him at an international show and a conformation labrador breeder (her moms show kennel is in all the books) who also had been a professional handler came up to me out of the blue and told me he could finish in the AKC ring. I laughed and said, "You do know he is completely field bred don't you?".

His sire was FC AFC Yellowstone's TNT explosion and his mother was sired by FC AFC Crow River's Malarky's Cougar out of an MD Houston Bitch. I also had one that could have finished in the conformation ring sired by Cougar and out of that same MD Houston bitch. With today's field dogs I can see possibilities in FC AFC Gunstalks Top Shelf Snap Decision if bred to the right dog and FC AFC Suncrest Wild Oats. I think if you took an Oatie daughter with good substance and bred to Snapper you may get something you could work with - now throw a little Cougar in there and you may have something. I was told FC AFC Westwinds Bold Tiger was a very handsome dog and it is interesting that Tiger's full sister is Cougars mother. I heard someplace that a pup sired by Pachange Magnum force finished in the ring in Canada.

Most field dogs these days are too weedy without enough substance. The longer I am into breeding labs the fewer really nice looking field trial dogs I am seeing. It could happen with dedication and thoughtful breeding. You would have to have the right dogs. I have a little field girl here now who is beautiful to me but she is definitely not show.

I am always going back and forth between looks and performance and trying to get both - not an easy thing but I have managed to produce a master hunter show champion. I would love to produce or even see another dual in my life time. The picture below it the pup who could have done both sired by Nitro and out of my Penny. He finished his senior title at 14 months old with no fails and only 3 months of training. He was running masters at 15 months. He had a hip injury as a puppy and I kept doing xrays but when it was marginal at 2 years I didn't want to take the chance and neutered him and sold him as a gundog. It can be done but you would have to pick a talented show dog and keep breeding back to nice looking field dogs - or - find the right field dogs.

 

I dabble in the show ring and have done ok. I was at an eye clinic recently with one of my field puppies. I told a show friend I was going to show her in breed ring. She laughed and asked if I was going to put her in hunters - I told her no - Bred By. Then she really laughed. She is beautiful to me and I will wait her out and see how she comes out but she is not anything like those 50lb 4 month old puppies I often see. No, I don't think she would do anything in the show ring but maybe if I took her to a show some of the dogs in the ring would look so ridiculously over done they may start looking at the moderate ones.

 

PS - I was looking for info on Par - how I got here I don't know unless Par was mentioned. LOL

 

Julie, I wish more lab people would do this! Education of the judges is a critical part of getting a more moderate dog to be more successful in the show ring.

 

I took my conformation bred boy who has a senior title to a weekend show for the first time this past summer. He is not the big overdone dogs you see but he is handsome. His brother is a CH MH - both bred by me - so proud. A third brother was an MH HRCH by 2 and youngest dogs to make it to the 2nd series of the espn super dog trials. Again... all show bred. I don't know if they would be able to compete at a competitive level in field trials but they would be a good start to get looks back in the field dogs without losing ability.

Back to what I was writing - I get off track... anybody who knows me knows that... lol . Well, Ted took the points two days and he was a wildman in the ring and I was hanging on for dear life. I asked a friend who does the show thing what she thought of him conformation wise and she likes those giant flat faced show dog - she said he looked like something in-between field and show. To me, that is what they should look like - not extreme in either way. Apparently the judges liked him. I have showed conformation field crosses that beat show dogs also.

 

Another dog that is producing nice coat, nice heads, dark eye, decent bone, with nice tails is Land Ahoy. A bit long in the body for me but over all a good start.

 

Interesting comparison - Ted in field condition - also taken the fall before - Ted the days I showed him. You can see he is heavier in the show picture but I did not pack the pounds on like some do. The weight was an accident... lol. I don't like fat dogs.

The following is a conformation bred girl. She is not that different than some of the field dogs you see. She is from a long line of specialty show winners. She is put together nice - she looked more conformation when she was smaller but as she matures things can change again. She and the boy above both have decent length of leg. I compared Ted to the Labrador picture standard and his legs could be about an inch longer yet. And I though he had good length of leg for a show dog.

 

Gerry you'll be happy to know that at the Golden judge's education seminar held at Eukanuba in December there will be a CH/MH BITCH and a CH/SH DOG for them to peruse both VERY MODERATE, ATHLETIC dogs with superb movement, breed type and if they care to set up some marks in the OCC hallway are FAST, STYLISH, ACCURATE markers! Both owner handled to their titles with multiple breeder-judge specialty majors and you'll see both in a field trial near you in the future.
GOLDENS ROCK and more people are getting on board with having a true dual purpose or should I say CORRECT dog!!!!

 

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