Thank God you saw what she had!! yes, Peroxide is a life saver.....

 

Thank goodness.

Here's a tip for you also. When I go into a motel room. I check everywhere for poison and traps. They put them out of sight but the dogs can and will find them.

 

Glad she is ok!

Do not ever use rat poison on your property period!!!

Rats eat the poison even if it's away from the dogs, rat dies in the yard,kennel, basement etc. dog or cat, eats dead rat, no beuno.

Heck, you might not even see the dog or cat eat the rat, when you discover your friend is sick, it may be to late. Think about it.....

Just use traps in area's where only you have access.

 

Thanks for the reminder Mike. They do eat everything. My 3 month is at the vet today to have a blockage removed. Thank goodness it wasn't poison! Oz

 

Oh, and very glad your girl is ok. Oz

 

A good reminder also to go through the cabinets and first aid kits to make sure you have fresh peroxide on-hand! Had an incident with rat poison a couple of years ago, and gave him several doses of what I did not realize was older peroxide, with no results.... A neighbor brought over some fresh peroxide, and his stomach contents was up within minutes!

 

A good reminder also to go through the cabinets and first aid kits to make sure you have fresh peroxide on-hand!

Thanks for that one... I was a little worried when I opened the bottle -- it was OLD but unopened. I will get a new small bottle today.

By the way, Cami is still feisty as ever.

One more good day.

 

There is no prescribed or unsafe dose for hydrogen peroxide, give as much and as often to get the job done, I would not wait 15 minutes between doses, 5-10 and repeat.

 

Actually, you can cause a salt toxicity with too much H2O2.

That's the reason for portioning out the amounts.

I've seen and treated it when I was working as an emergency DVM

 

I lost our dearly loved Husky name Mollie about 4 months ago to this very thing. We went down to visit my parents for dinner and took Mollie with us, as we always do. We left her in the garage (as we always do) while we were inside eating and visiting. When the night was over we left and all was well. About 3 days later she skipped a meal. I thought that seemed strange but figured maybe she just didn't feel well so I didn't think too much about it and thought I'd just keep a close eye on her. Later that night she was being very lethargic so I decided that we would go to the vet first thing in the morning. Well when I woke up the next morning she was in awful shape. Could barely stand up, blood in her urine, and just a very sick look in her eyes. We rushed to the vet an hour before they were even open and they shot her up with Vitamin K. The vet told us the next 2 days would be critical. If she made it through the weekend he said we should be out of the woods, but he gave us a 50/50 chance. We treated her with Vitamin K pills over the weekend but in the end she couldn't pull through and my family lost a dear friend. I asked the doctor if it would have saved her had I brought her in the night before when I noticed she wasn't feeling well. He admitted that it wouldn't have hurt our chances, but that typically by the time they are showing symptoms that it is often too late. Larger breeds can sometimes pull through even after symptoms arise, but at only 40 pounds he said the damage had likely already been done with her.

My mother put out a brand new tray of rat poison pellets in the garage the day before we came down for dinner, and Mollie ate all of it. We had no idea she had done this until after the fact... My advice, only use the snap style mouse traps or at least some that are pet safe. This was a senseless loss of a beloved pet.

 

http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/about/

I keep the number for the Pet Poison Helpline close at hand. The helpline is affiliated with the University of Minnesota and is staffed by experts 24/7. I've used them a couple of times and they are a wonderful resource when minutes matter.

 

Was at a seminar once and my dog was running around in barn. Got home she was bleeding out the nose and throwing up. Don't know if was poison or she ate a mushroom in our back yard. E vet asked about poison or mushroom, so did my vet next day

 

I use glue mouse traps. The only harm it does is make them walk on 3 legs when they step in one and it's stuck to their paw. And they look at you like are you gonna help me or what

 

This was my first thought.

 

Hate poison. Too easy to poison a non-target animal, including human toddlers. I don't like glue traps, because, mouse or not, I don't like for the little critter to suffer. Good old snap traps (usually) kill very fast and rarely kill non-target organisms. Watch your fingers on those rat snap traps.

 

Please realize that the majority of rat poisons out now cause a Vit D toxicity, and they die from kidney shut down. These are VERY different from Warfarin bleed out type of poisons. These need to be treated IMMEDIATELY to prevent kidney problems. Key here is knowing the active ingredient. So if you use any poison KEEP THE BOX with the label.
Personally I like snap traps too, I have had mice join my garage, but no rats. I suspect rats would have to come through the back yard to get to the house, good luck to them getting past the dogs.
Although I did have a mouse that ate the cheese off the trap without setting it off. Adjusted the trap and got em the next day.

 

Just FYI the EPA changed the rules on the rodenticides that are used by consumers. They outlawed the stronger 2nd generation anticoagulants for consumer use (most of what the green bait has been) that is treatable by Vit K1. As of March 1st 2015 it is not being sold to consumers, but can still be used by farmers and exterminators. The consumer products are now using poison that is MUCH harder to treat if possible. Bromethalin is a neurotoxin which is fairly common now. Dogs need to eat a larger amount to be affected, but once affected (siezures etc) it is fatal. It is very toxic to cats. The other two out there are Vit D toxicity (as NateB stated) and zinc phosphide, which reacts with water and acid in the stomach to form highly toxic phosphine gas.

Please spread the word to friends, family and neighbors about the change in these poisons. Most vets are able to treat the anticoagulant poisoning, but now the poisons are almost impossible to treat unless caught right when it happens. I highly recommend you take you pet to an emergency clinic rather then start treatment on your own as they have medication that is much faster and safer for making your pet vomit, and the ability to give treatments to try to stop some of these newer poisons.

An article that goes much more into depth about this issue: http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=34234&callshare=1

Thanks for bringing up such an important topic!

 

I just don't really understand the use of poisons to kill rodents, especially for a family that ever has any pets or children around the house. So much can go wrong just to kill a mouse that has fallen victim to the snap-traps for decades. If a pet or child gets into a snap trap, the worst case is a sore finger for the child or nose/tongue for a pet. On the other hand, if they get into poison the scenario is much, MUCH worse. However, both devices kill a mouse just as dead. I've lost a pet to poison already, and have a 4 month old daughter that will soon be crawling around the house. You won't find that poison anywhere near my home. Would rather deal with mice than risk the alternative. Meanwhile, the snap-traps seem to work just fine.

 

I just don't really understand the use of poisons to kill rodents....

I understand your concern but we live on the edge of the woods. With the first chilly wind, the mice make a run for our house-- them and their children, grand children, and great grandchildren. There aren't enough snap traps in town to take care of that first surge. I've used a lot of them, too. ( By the way for those that use them where the mice keep stealing the bait: roll up the stinky cheese or peanut butter in a little cheesecloth on the 'paddle.')

Anyway, I toss the blocks up on the top sill plate of the foundation wall or on the top shelf of the canned-goods shelves in the basement. I haven't a clue where Cami found hers. But, I will be more careful going forward. (I have a huge supply of the Coumadin-style blocks that I bought when I thought the EPA ban was getting rid of blocks altogether.)

As for a "progress" report, we were back to yard work and marks today..... "She's fine!!!"

 

Great thread! Just a tip on administering peroxide to a dog which works for me is to add it to a little bullion or ice cream, or anything tasty. Dogs think they are getting a little treat. Works like a champ!

 

10cc syringe squirt in the mouth, after about 6 or 7 of those they are power puking

 

Figure I would add a, hopefully, final post for those of you that asked.... After a full week, Cami is fine and back to her "energetic" self.

Thanks for all the good thoughts and prayers.

(I like the idea of the big syringe. I 'm not sure she'll, "Open wide..." the next time we might to do the peroxide trick.)

 

Figure I would add a, hopefully, final post for those of you that asked.... After a full week, Cami is fine and back to her "energetic" self.

Thanks for all the good thoughts and prayers.

(I like the idea of the big syringe. I 'm not sure she'll, "Open wide..." the next time we might to do the peroxide trick.)

Hold muzzel and squirt right into corner of mouth. Don't squirt down the throat, just in to their mouth. You don't want to aspirate them.

 

Plants can be a problem too. This article is about a friend of mine who lost his Lab to sago palm poisoning. Really sad.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20150208/ARTICLES/150209659

 

Plants can be a problem too. This article is about a friend of mine who lost his Lab to sago palm poisoning. Really sad.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20150208/ARTICLES/150209659

Yes indeed. MANY common plants are toxic to dogs.