[Trevor Toberny]

what do you require to breed? i use to see stud owners require all health testing and atleast a JH title just to prove some trainability and desire. lately i have seen fc afc studs being bred to any female with health clearances. no training and no titles and some with absolutely no pedigree.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

so yall as stud owners dont care what traits the btch and her lines bring? not concerened about breeding to a female with no pedigree and no training or even a basic title?

 

[Trevor Toberny]

yes and i saw that they listed health requirements but non as far as the bitch or pedigree is concerened so thats why i asked. i asked because i see people point out how important the bitch side is if not more important, same people talk about beterment of the breed. then see that they bred there fc afc titled stud to a female with no titles in pedigree except in 4th generation. i actually called about the litter because it was close and nice stud and at first no pedigree info was listed and the guy tells me his dog is a family pet and does not hunt, no training and doesnt like to retrieve much. so to me i find it odd that the owner of said stud that points out the bitch line is just as important or more will breed to a bitch just because she has health clearances and a check that clears.

Bon, you asked and so what does it matter to me? should we not all want to know about both sides of the pedigree when buying a pup? or should we just care that the stud is a fc afc? so since sherwin scott didnt care then neither should we? why should the stud owner care they are the ones that have to sell the litter?

 

[Trevor Toberny]

so tell me Bon, who are some of the people in the "know" that are big names and have big time dogs with a pedigree of no titled dogs because they arent minions and knew what traits they wanted and got them from non titled pedigrees. and i dont mean in the 70's.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

yes im familiar with espirit out of the woods, he was also qaa and ran trials and was out of titled prents. like i said im talking about a dog that has no training, no desire to retrieve and has no titles in pedigree. im familiar with Marys breedings,again her sires are usually titled or in process and her dams have had training.
you are bringing up people who know their pedigree and bloodlines, not a random guy who bought his dog out of paper and has no retrieving desire. not sure how im arguing both sides.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

David please remind me what i missed? are you referring to ed saying that just because a female has no title has nothing to do with her as far as producing? maybe you have clearly not read what i have wrote. what if the female has NO DESIRE, NO DRIVE. Has NO titles in pedigree till you go far back. so i guess im the odd person and yall would buy pups if the parents had no desire to retrieve and had no pedigree that someone bought out of the paper.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

guys, i agree it falls on owner of buyer when it comes to picking a pup. My question was if a stud owner of fc afc atleast makes the female that wants to breed to their stud add to the breed or gene pool. people say the bitch brings as much to the pup as the stud but then by breeding to a female that has no retrieving desire and comes out of the paper and the parents he bought from werent hunters and were just lap dog then pedigree has nothing in it what does that stud owner go off of to think that adds to the gene pool. thats why i asked those with fc afc what they require to breed to their stud. i have gathered that its just health clearances and money.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

tyler, refresh my memory but make usre you post exactly what i said.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

John, I respect your posts and this gentleman that has a couch dog that wont retrieve anything and he said her parents were the same way and lived with an older couple and they were just house dogs. he had a pedigree on his dog and there was nothing. he mentioned he bought her out of the newspaper. i guess we are lucky enough that he had enough sense to breed to a fc afc instead o another back yard dog. People keep saying things about an untitled mom of pups and yes there are great dogs that are out of non titled bitches but AGAIN this guy bred to a fc afc with not only an untitled bitch with no desire but a full pedigree of non titled dogs and dogs that dont have desire.
i will drop it since i guess im the only one that feels the way i do.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

Duk4me, you have every right to not read a post if you dont like it but feel free to make some new threads that could benefit the newbies with all of your knowledge and retriever training wisdom. ive recently seen people bashed that have a few females that they breed because they are "new" and their bitches may not have titles but the rest of pedigree is stacked with titles and dogs who run. some of them have been bashed for breeding to a stud who is "only" qaa or a MH but yet people wouldnt bash the owner of the fc afc who bred to a no pedigree no desire female. I hear these same people make comments over and over " the bitch line is just as important if not more " or " choose a bitch with best possible bitch lines" but then breed to a bitch with NO desire and out of two parents with NO desire and nothing on paper behind them.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

I dont know Terry personally but he has anice place and has people that trust him with their dogs and if he chooses to road his dogs with a bumper in their mouth thats his choice.

 

[Trevor Toberny]

and duk4me, there are plenty of threads from newbies needed help with training, why dont you spend some time commenting on their post and help.