[Kenneth Niles Bora]

....... Selling the gun is not an option as it is a gift from a family member that has passed.....

.....and I feel like a dumb ass. .......

Thoughts???

I think the person may have known that when they gave it to you;-)
Nice gun, take care of it and hand load some and shoot it for fun.
Gooser, have any legal no-tox lite loads for him to pop ducks out of a tosser with?


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[BonMallari]

you can shoot Bismuth out of that gun

 

[David Carpenter]

yup thats a Browning Belgium Superposed not a CITORI...do not shoot steel and do not alter the gun

Special Steel only refers to the process that they called them back in the day, like today's case hardened, or Forged...has nothing to do what you shoot out of it

Listen to BonMallari big difference between citori and superposed do not use steel--have one I semi retired because steel issue--that said if you are never going to sell because of sentiment and want to use it--talk to Briley if thin walls would work-- believe they will--your decision to make--i also wonder if the estimate you got on the value was valid depending on condition of course

 

[Alec Sparks]

Even IC with steel is overkill at thrown/launched ranges imo, IM will be ugly.

 

[Golddogs]

So it looks to be IC and IM, and I feel like a dumb ass. .

Thoughts???

Go with the feeling

Just kidding. Nice gun and I would save it for Pheasant hunting. You can check the year it was made off the serial # with Browning. Might be a specail year to you. I have an A5 made in 54.

Best production O/U ever made and why I shoot a White Lightning ( same pattern ).

Hoping I get the father in laws SK/SK regards

 

[Golddogs]

i also wonder if the estimate you got on the value was valid depending on condition of course

Superposed in good to very good condition, field grade, should bring $800-$1200. The higher end if choked like this one because it is still a great upland gun. As it is choked, I would not mess with it at all. Perfect Pheasant gun.

One thing you may want to check on is if the stock was salt cured or not. Serial # should help with that. If salt cured, be sure to keep her well oiled.

 

[MarkyMark]

The first thing all you do is pull the stock, that will let you know about salt wood.
Go here www.artsgunshop.com/site_map_MediaCenter_Video.htm

Nest question is do you like this gun?? Your dealing with a superposed and they have a nice tight bore. I like a tight bore .722 should be yours with short forcing cones. Don't worry about the steel just shoot hevi shot for waterfowl. Those Superposed have long chokes 5-6inches and I like them long.

As for Briley, yep stay away. There thin wall expert installer is a full time paid fireman.

This link will bring you to Mike Orlen.
www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=36237 he can do the job for a fraction of the price and he does very good work. You might have to wait since he does allot of work for high grade dealers. Some guys can not wait and ride him. If you ride him he will not do the job and expect your job to mailed back to you.

Have him open the forcing cones and leave the tight bore if you choke the gun. Value so what you dump 500 in a gun that you can use for everything. Whats that worth I have yet to see a casket with roof racks.

 

[savage25xtreme]

Thanks for everyone advice. I wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about this gun, but I knew my RTF buddies would know. So at least I was smart enough to ask :razz:

This gun will be used at fall field trials for pheasants and at the skeet/trap range. I feel that will do it justice.

Alec, that depends on who is throwing, right???
IC in my Benelli with light steel loads has put a couple hundred birds on the ground without a no-bird....all of them were usable the rest of the weekend as well.

 

[22899]

DO NOT USE THAT GUN FER A FLYER GUN!!!!:razz:

DO NOT SHOOT STEEL THROUGH IT!!

DO NOT LET BRILEY HACK IT UP!!

ORLEN WILL PROLLY SEND IT BACK TO YOU WITH A STUPIDITY CARD!!!:razz:

I thought there MIGHT be a chance it was a super,, when Ya said it was a older Citori with fixed chokes.

I'll give Ya 200.00 Cash fer that "FLYER gun right now!!:razz:

YOU LUCKY BAS#@# YOU!!!

FIGGER YER OWN NO-TOX LOADS OUT FOR IT!!!:razz::razz:

YOU LUCKY BAST!@# YOU!!!

Gooser

 

[BonMallari]

not sure what the serial numbers are for that gun but here is a Browning Superposed chart which might give you some idea when the gun was produced

http://www.browning.com/customerservice/dategun/detail.asp?id=42

 

[savage25xtreme]

L13PMXXXXX so it is a 1980. 1 year before I was born :razz:

 

[22899]

Savage

I believe your gun is what Browning called a "Leige" model B27.
They were only available overseas,, and many Service people brought them back with them after tour.

You are correct about the year of manufacture.

I would call Browning to confirm this. I am only Talking from recollection,, and that is a real gamble with me.

The L213 I beleive designates Leige" model,, and the 213 designates 12 guage.

YOU LUCKY BASR$#@!!!:razz:

Gooser

 

[savage25xtreme]

That would make since, my step father retired from the air force, served over seas in every war and hell hole you can imagine. Shot 7 different times in combat for our country. Would trade the gun back in a heart beat.

 

[22899]

How does the forearm attach?

Is there a lever in the center you pull up on to remove,, or is there a small black push button type of release?

Can you look down the barrels,, and tell if they are chrome lined?

Your gun may very well be able to shoot steel shot.

The Leige was the precursor to the Citori.
It was a No Frills gun designed to help reduce the cost of the Super.

Browning decided to drop the Leige,, and go with the japanese manufature Citori.

Your gun may not be worth what a Superposed is,, but from what you described you wanted,, It is choked lightly (perfectly in my opinion) and it MAY be able to shoot steel shot, because of the chromed barrels,

Remember.. I am talking out the bottom of my ARSE on this,, Call Browning to make sure!!

You have a VERY nice Gun in any event!
Enjoy it....... YOU LUCKLY BASTY!@#

:razz::razz:

Gooser


P.S.

If it has a push button forearm release,, and chromed barrells it is a LEIGE.

 

[savage25xtreme]

It is a Leige then, it has a push button in the tip of the fore end just below the bottom barrel and chrome barrels.

Beautifully made gun IMHO and I am unconcerned with what it is worth, priceless to me.

 

[stevehaun]

Mike Orlen
79 Salem St.
Amherst, MA 01002
413-256-1630

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=36237

This guy does outstanding barrel work. I have had him install choke tubes in a SXS and also open up chokes in two other SXS.. His turn around time on barrel work is outstanding.

 

[22899]

savage

You are correct. They are beautifully made guns. Ones that anyone should be very proud to own.
IMHO,, Browning made a mistake making the decision for Japanese manufacture on the Citori, It should have stayed a Belgium gun.

Winchester now makes an o/U that is manufactured in that same belgium factory. That gun is also very nice, Current manufacture.

Congrats!! I would leave the chokes alone!!:razz:

Gooser

 

[BonMallari]

savage

You are correct. They are beautifully made guns. Ones that anyone should be very proud to own.
IMHO,, Browning made a mistake making the decision for Japanese manufacture on the Citori, It should have stayed a Belgium gun.

Winchester now makes an o/U that is manufactured in that same belgium factory. That gun is also very nice, Current manufacture.

Congrats!! I would leave the chokes alone!!:razz:

Gooser

I agree...even though I have an Olin- Kodensha Win 101 made in Japan, the Citori will always pale in comparison to the Superposed...My brother in Austin bought one of the new Win 101 Elite made by FN in Belgium this spring,it's very good but its still not a Browning...the old Superposed guns all had great wood as OEM, and if you were lucky enough to fondle a Gr. II, III or even a Diana grade they were true works of art, just don't see that craftsmanship anymore

 

[MarkyMark]

Find a Browning BSS Side by Side made by Miruko. That is a solid SxS 20ga and 12ga were made. Let's face it Browning is owned by Beretta now and the way things look Remington's who have been buying everyone up are about to go belly up.

All you guys are upset that Browning went to Japan, when they couldn't sell a gun due to cost. What were they supposed to do? loose money then fold.

 

[Brandoned]

Find a Browning BSS Side by Side made by Miruko. That is a solid SxS 20ga and 12ga were made. Let's face it Browning is owned by Beretta now and the way things look Remington's who have been buying everyone up are about to go belly up.

All you guys are upset that Browning went to Japan, when they couldn't sell a gun due to cost. What were they supposed to do? loose money then fold.

When did Beretta buy Browning, haven't heard that one yet.