[Juli H]

suppose you wanted to start a new breed....I don't mean just cross akc dog 'X' with AKC breed 'Y' - but really take it seriously and invent your own 5-6th generation 'new breed'......one that would be considered 'pure'....
what breeds woud you choose to do this?

For instance -
someone might like the markings of a Nova Scota Duck Tolling Retriever, but want the size of a golden...

something else I have wondered about.....
should there be a 'field labrador' classification in AKC?....not unlike the differentiation between toy, mini, and standard poodles or the different colors of cockers or sizes of beagles, etc etc....why not have the 'American Labrador'?

I understand that there is something to be respected regarding the purity of the different breeds and certainly love my chosen breed ...but really, didn't most (all?) come from the pairing of two or more different breeds?

Juli

 

[Jared White]

a lab, coonhound, and greyhound mix, It would be a fast retrieving fool with a great nose

 

[Juli H]

I would put some border collie in - gotta have the smarts and I don't think the lab would add enough to outweigh the other two...LOL....

I actually think it would be awesome to have a dog with border collie smarts and athleticsim, but that lacked the border collie 'crazies'...LOL

Juli

 

[copterdoc]

Getting bored up there in the great white north?

I would like a brindle Labrador retriever that grows a heavy winter coat, that it shedds in the spring. Mossy Oak Duck Blind, would be better, but brindle is the closest color I've seen a dog get to that.

No bigger then 70 LBS, with a large enough head and jaws that big geese could be easily carried without a lot of mouthing or repositioning.

I would rather defend myself with a knife, then a .22 Deringer.

No thumbs for 3 Mo would be easy.

I don't think I'll live to see 60. Maybe not even 40. I win by dying in debt.

 

[Happy Gilmore]

An old time field trialer I know said he knows of a FC Golden that was bred to a Chesapeake in the late 1960's to improve on water entry and produced an FC which was part Chessie. The line is still producing field goldens to this day. He said he heard rumor of an old NFC BLM with direct pit bull breeding in the line.

It may just be "old guy" stories but, It wouldn't surprise me. People will do anything to win and AKC is just paperwork and honesty.

It would be fun to see what DNA could tell us if they could test for breed specific genes. Find out how mixed up the "purebred" world really is.....

Paul

 

[labman52738]

What about crossing a lab with an otter? Cripples wouldn't be much of a problem for an animal that can swim like that, huh?

 

[Losthwy]

Let's start with a Lab, genetically modify it so it is calico for fall hunting, turns white in the winter and then back to black in the summer to run field events.

 

[Juli H]

Let's start with a Lab, genetically modify it so it is calico for fall hunting, turns white in the winter and then back to black in the summer to run field events.

hmmmm - so we need to throw some weasel genetics in there?
that would be one MEAN son of gun! LOL..but he might turn white in the winter!

Juli

 

[Guest]

An old time field trialer I know said he knows of a FC Golden that was bred to a Chesapeake in the late 1960's to improve on water entry and produced an FC which was part Chessie. The line is still producing field goldens to this day. He said he heard rumor of an old NFC BLM with direct pit bull breeding in the line.

I heard you dress funny.

Can you provide some value in your post, pretty please?

 

[DrCharlesBortellPhD]

Paul, You can test (DNA) to see what "breed" a dog is.

see http://www.dog-dna.com/breeds/Chesapeake-Bay-Retriever.php

There are numerous companies/labs that do these DNA tests (from $80-160)
and can identify over 160+ breeds.

Charlie

 

[1st retriever]

There is a dog in the paper that if he was free I might give him a good home but not $250 for a mutt. They are calling him an Irish Dane. Father was AKC Wolfhound and Dam was AKC Great Dane. I would love to have him and see how big he gets. Not really a cross I would want to start but I love them big dogs! My Golden is a dink compared to my Wolfhound and the Wolfhound is small for her breed!

 

[Leddyman]

Seriously I don't see how you can improve much on the Labrador retriever. If I could have another one just like the first one I had I would pay any amount of money. I wouldn't bat an eye at $5,000.00. I'm serious.

It was his temperament.

This dog would not even show you a tooth when I was around. He was just as snuggly as a bug. But if I left him in my truck, you better stay out of there until I get back. I left him in my cousin's truck one day and he couldn't get in his own truck until I got back and he had known the dog for years. My wife was walking him on the trails down by the Chattahoochee river in Atlanta one day when a very scary guy met her coming the other way. She said she knew right the minute she saw him that she was in trouble. That guy had to go out through the woods to pass on that trail. The dog came unglued on him. I came home one day to find a ladder and an open window in my house. Nothing was missing, Harley was inside. I could leave him loose and he wouldn't bother anything, except apparently intruders. He saved all my guns that day.
If another dog wanted to fight he was an expert at turning the shoulder and avoiding any damage and he would just avoid it for the first five or six times, but sooner or later when he got enough he would show the other dog that fighting him was a terrible idea. He whipped boxers, labs ,a shepherd mix once...it would take 4-5 times and I would warn people to keep thier dogs under controll...but people never learn until thier dog is on his back. I never saw him attack another dog unprovoked, if they wanted to play he acted just like a puppy...if they insisted on fighting he was a bad opponent.

He could run like a deer. I swear you've never seen anything like it. He was tall and he had a rough coat. I've seen him covered in ice after making a retrieve and he wouldn't even be shivering. As far as I'm concerned he was the ultimate dog. I've got a million stories about amazing stuff he did.

We went to the Chattahoochee River almost every day, I could throw a tennis ball a long way when I was 25. When the river would get up it would be very swift. everyone else's dogs would return considerably down stream from where they left and have to run the bank back up. Harley got out where he got in....period. end of story. People were always amazed.

The day I took this picture we hunted a flooded river swamp with 2 other guys and a mean chocolate lab. The dog had an aggression problem with people and other dogs. Harley was ten and that dog was 2.5 yrs. He ran about 3 miles in shin deep water, kicked the other dog's ass about the 4th time he jumped on him, retrieved these birds and ran all the way back out. He laid down and went to sleep and didn't move for 12 hours and then he was ready to go again.

If you can improve on that I'd be interested to hear it.

 

[Pete]

Chessie x Malinois or
chessie x american bull dog Truely made in the USA

Pete

 

[Bud Bass]

I agree with Leddyman, for my purposes Labs are about as perfect as you can get. Outstanding retrievers, great phesant dogs, companions, loyal and smart. The proof is that ever Chessi I have ever seen acts like they want to be a lab. :razz: Bud

 

[Lisa Van Loo]

Paul, You can test (DNA) to see what "breed" a dog is.

see http://www.dog-dna.com/breeds/Chesapeake-Bay-Retriever.php

There are numerous companies/labs that do these DNA tests (from $80-160)
and can identify over 160+ breeds.

Charlie

All breeds of purebred dog have some alleles in common with at least several other breeds. If this were not so, diseases like hip dysplasia and autoimmune hypothyroidism would not be so widespread among breeds. Field, English Cocker, Springer, and American Cocker Spaniels did not get well sorted out until well into the 20th century (American and English Cockers were not separated until the 1940s), for instance. I rather doubt they can be definitively separated out by DNA markers alone.

I wonder if anyone has ever sent in a sample from a purebred just to see what results would come back? Might be fun, but I didn't bother to check the price tag. I would expect a Chessie to have genes in common with Newfoundlands, perhaps some hound breeds, the Boykin, and the NSDTR, for starters. IWS most definitely; I myself have now documented 3 crosses to the IWS that happened just prior to the turn of the 20th century. Evolutionarily, that isn't all that long.

One Born Every Minute Regards;

Lisa

 

[Matt McKenzie]

I've just about perfected my line of British Silver Pointing Labradoodles. Gonna make a mint!

 

[Shayne Mehringer]

Easy... Bulldog x ****zu

SM

 

[Fowl Play WA]

Easy... Bulldog x ****zu

SM

Dumb and Dumber

(not your idea, from the movie)

 

[Shayne Mehringer]

Dumb and Dumber

(not your idea, from the movie)

Beavis and Butthead said it first!

uh huh huh huh huh regards,

SM

 

[Happy Gilmore]

I heard you dress funny.

Can you provide some value in your post, pretty please?

just saying it may not be as far fetched or as "HYPOTHETICAL" as one might think.

I assumed the notion of the post was what breeding mixes might improve performance of our dogs. I see other people insinuated the same and posted things such as breeding with a bloodhound to improve nose etc.....

Didn't know we were looking to write a medical journal or publication for research.....so serious....from what I could tell your post was even less valuable than my post on drag racing....but, none the less a think a few people enjoyed it....