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CHICAGO — In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the “hope of the entire world” that the U.S. will change for the better. The 74-year-old Farrakhan, former leader of the black Muslim group, never endorsed Obama outright, but spent much of his nearly two-hour speech Sunday to an estimated crowd of 20,000 people praising the Illinois senator.
“This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better,” he said. “This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama’s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed.”
Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion’s founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father.
“A black man with a white mother became a savior to us,” he told the crowd of mostly followers. “A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall.”
Farrakhan also leveled small jabs at Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s rival for the Democratic nomination, suggesting that she represents the politics of the past and has been engaging in dirty politics.
Said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: “Sen. Obama has been clear in his objections to Minister Farrakhan’s past pronouncements and has not solicited the minister’s support.”
Farrakhan rebuilt the Nation of Islam, which promotes black empowerment and nationalism, in the late 1970s after W.D. Mohammed, the son of longtime leader Elijah Mohammed, moved his followers toward mainstream Islam.
Farrakhan has drawn attention for calling Judaism a “gutter religion” and suggesting crack cocaine might have been a CIA plot to enslave blacks.
In recent years, however, officials with the Nation of Islam have promoted unity and tolerance among religions. Farrakhan now often quotes the texts of other religions, such as the Bible, in his speeches.
Farrakhan’s keynote address at McCormick Place, the city’s convention center, wrapped up three days of events geared at unifying followers and targeting youth.
It had a different tone from a year ago, when Farrakhan made what was called his final public address at a Saviours’ Day event in Detroit. The 74-year-old was recovering from complications from prostate cancer and months earlier had temporarily passed on leadership duties of the organization’s day-to-day activities to an executive board.
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I read that last night on worldnetdaily.com as well as this;


© 2008 WorldNetDaily



Sen. Barack Obama

JERUSALEM – The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi's wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2001.

Obama served on the Wood's Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.

Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama's senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

The $40,000 grant from Obama's Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group's reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN's reported grants for that year.

The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago's Palestinian immigrant community, describes itself as working to "empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities."

It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open boarders and education for illegal aliens.

The AAAN in 2005 sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint initiative to deny driver's licenses to illegal aliens a "bigoted attack on Arabs and Muslims."

Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel line.

The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled, "The Subject of Palestine," that featured works related to what some Palestinians call the "Nakba" or "catastrophe" of Israel's founding in 1948.

According to the widely discredited Nakba narrative, Jews in 1948 forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands - some Palestinians claim over one million - Arabs from their homes and then took over the territory.

end of story...
However, I am really preoccupied by whats happening in the Balkins. Back in 1999, then Pres. Clinton backed the wrong side in his rush to divert attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandel. The Serbs have long been our allies and fought with us in WW2. Clinton ordered the bombing of thousands of Christian killing many in support of the Muslims who had invaded the area over the last 80 years. Now the Serbs hate us for backing a terrorist regime and that is why they burned our embassy last Thursday.

There is an amusing read about Obama on; slate.com
Here's a piece...

The Obama Messiah Watch
Introducing a periodic feature considering evidence that Obama is the son of God.
By Timothy Noah
 
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However, I am really preoccupied by whats happening in the Balkins. Back in 1999, then Pres. Clinton backed the wrong side in his rush to divert attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandel. The Serbs have long been our allies and fought with us in WW2. Clinton ordered the bombing of thousands of Christian killing many in support of the Muslims who had invaded the area over the last 80 years. Now the Serbs hate us for backing a terrorist regime and that is why they burned our embassy last Thursday.
Ok, I read Booty's post now. This last part really turns my stomach.

I have several friends of over 20 years who grew up in Yugoslavia. They are from Croatia. They are Christians. And they feel that we absolutely were right to go after the Serbs. In fact I know a couple of Serbs that were going to University of Cincinnati for their PhD's back during that time, and they were ashamed of what was happening there. Taking sides based on Religion is kind of scary. The Russians fought with us in WWII also... And FYI, Serbians have always leaned toward the Russians.
 
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I haven't read these, but I'll say - if I had to choose between Obama and Hillary, it certainly wouldn't be Obama...
 
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Backing the wrong side is nothing new for the State Dept. We backed the wrong side in Iran when they were fighting against the Shah, and the ayatollahs took over and held our people hostage. Then we backed Saddam in the Iran Iraq war which was a big mistake. Way back when we backed Castro against Fulgencio Batista and helped put a commie in power.
 
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Just out of curiosity, Bob...how can you make your sig promise when you know about McCain's history on gun control? The more I see going on in this election year, the more I'm convinced that long lanky dishwater blond babe has the answer.

If we are voting for a republocrat, we will get all the liberal garbage, but the republicans will be held responsible. If it wasn't for the SCOTUS appointments, I'd be openly favoring either one of the democrats running. Let them be in charge when the SHTF.

In four years time, this nation will be deluged with the most socialistic pounding it has ever seen...allowing many of the agnostics, moderates, independants and whatever those follow-alongers call themselves, an opportunity to finally witness this crap firsthand. Maybe then they'll decide what our fathers died to defend is worth salvaging, and the picture will become more focused for them.

As I've always believed, the sheeple of the USA don't get what they want, but they do get what they deserve.

UB
 
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In four years time, this nation will be deluged with the most socialistic pounding it has ever seen...allowing many of the agnostics, moderates, independants and whatever those follow-alongers call themselves, an opportunity to finally witness this crap firsthand. Maybe then they'll decide what our fathers died to defend is worth salvaging, and the picture will become more focused for them.

As I've always believed, the sheeple of the USA don't get what they want, but they do get what they deserve.

UB
Uncle Bill:

Unfortunately I am afraid it will be more insidious than like your post implies. We won't witness the crap first hand... we will be part of it. Slowly but surely socialism will take our freedoms away little by little like sheep we will follow to our downfall and we won't know it until it becomes the norm and it is policy and we will only long for the good ol' days of freedom.

Obama and his "Change" what the heck is his change anyway? What is wrong with the system we have now. Wasn't it in 1933 that Hitler was discussing change when they appointed him Fuhrer? Hmmmmmmm..so is it gonna be Clinton or Obama for Fuhrer...er President this election...whoever it is plan on surrendering your guns, your right to any choice in health care, a greater portion of your hard earned dollars, any trust you had in government and more and more of your freedoms.

OK I'll step down off the podium now. One last thing: Vote Republican!
 
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Bill, its real easy: The GOP has a history of opposing gun control. If Senator McCain wants to keep the rank and file happy he will aceed to their wishes. The alternative of Osama or Hillbillery combined with Pelosi? Reid is unthinkable. Would I be happier if my friend Phil Gramm were the GOP candidate? or another real Conservative? you bet yer tuchus, but I'll vote for the lesser of the 2 evils.
 
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Bob -

Hope you are feeling good today.

Would you, or anyone of your conservative brothers and sisters on this board (several of which I'd like to drink beer with BTW), please help me understand how you consider a Senator who spent 5 1/2 years in an enemy POW not conservative enough to be the POTUS?

Like To Get My Arms Around This One Regards,

Joe S.
 
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I have to go with McCain ! I actually dont like any of them! But have to go with the lesser of to evils! And those 2 dems really scare the %%$ out of me!!
 
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spaightlabs:

I would like to say you are an idiot as well but that would be an insult to idiots.

Typically people who resort to name calling are not intelligent enough to defend thier position.

I expected flames from democrats but not name calling but if that's all you have then go ahead and utter your idiocy.
 
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Please read your second sentence above while keeping in mind your first sentence...you illustrate your own point nicely...

It's not too tough to defend the position that neother Obama nor Clinton are Nazi's, while i imagine you'd have a bit tougher time supporting our assertion...
 
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I am not a Obama supporter......but, come on. To mention Obama and Hitler in the same sentance is terrible. Hitler slaughtered 6 MILLION Jews, 10 MILLION Russians and several million allied forces. To say that there are ANY similarities between the two is a travesty.
 
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While I have no political affiliation, I do listen to what people have to say. We all have our differing opinions about everything. But I keep hearing Obama is against owning guns. I came across this page on Obama's website about this issue. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ad..._Sportsmen.pdf

So where does everyone keep coming up with him taking our guns?
If the purpose of the 2nd Ammendment is to allow Americans just enough guns to hunt and plink targets then you could make the argument that Obama is a supporter of the 2nd Ammendment. But the 2nd Ammendment isn't about hunting and Obama, IMO, is far from a supporter. He is for a permanent assault weapons ban (whatever those are) and has voted to limit gun purchases to one per month.


What I'm really wondering is how if someone like John McCain (who has had unspeakable horror visited upon him in defense of the country) can find a moderate position does the leadership of right wing of the republican party (who largely lack his direct personal experience) ever stop to think maybe THEY are out of touch.
I'm not getting your notion that McCain's POW past somehow conveys upon him the mantle of True Conservative or makes him any more or less right than anyone else. If the base of the GOP wants to keep Bush's tax cuts in place and McCain doesn't then McCain is right because he spent time in the Hanoi Hilton? Maybe the GOP should have let socialist Kurt Vonnegut write the GOP party platform...afterall, he was a POW, too. ;)
 
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Hi John,

Good to cye you again. (Cye, v. 1. to acknowledge someone on the internet. i.e., "Will I be cyeing you on-line tonight?") ((I just made this up, think it will catch on?))

If the purpose of the 2nd Ammendment is to allow Americans just enough guns to hunt and plink targets then you could make the argument that Obama is a supporter of the 2nd Ammendment. But the 2nd Ammendment isn't about hunting and Obama, IMO, is far from a supporter. He is for a permanent assault weapons ban (whatever those are) and has voted to limit gun purchases to one per month.
Come on, Hew. Do you really think we should be able to go into our local gun store and buy an M-4 with a bunch of high capacity mags and armour piercing ammo incase we are attacked by a heard of rabid rabbits? But this isn't about what we need, is it? This is really about a fear of what happens AFTER we let "them" prevent us from buying whatever gun we want whenever we want it. This is about the fear of "Where do they stop?" They are going to get my great-great-grandfathers damascus barrelled side-by-side. That is what this is really about, isn't it? Just own up to it and we can take the next step. :)

I'm not getting your notion that McCain's POW past somehow conveys upon him the mantle of True Conservative or makes him any more or less right than anyone else. If the base of the GOP wants to keep Bush's tax cuts in place and McCain doesn't then McCain is right because he spent time in the Hanoi Hilton? Maybe the GOP should have let socialist Kurt Vonnegut write the GOP party platform...afterall, he was a POW, too. ;)
I don't think Senator McCain's POW past conveys on him the mantle of True Conservative. I DO THINK Senator McCain's POW past conveys on him a realistic appreciation for this country that no other candidate can come close to matching. I think his time "tied up" (I loved it when he used that line...) helped him to better see what we do well and not so well. An honest person knows that we, as a country, can improve on some things. There are a lot of positions that I don't like about Senator McCain, immigration for one. But I can understand how he feels the way he does.

Again, Hew, you are back to the base. It can't be about finding one person to appeal (pander?) to the base of one political party. It HAS to be about finding someone that can appeal to the majority of the people in the country. We spend a lot of time, effort, energy and money fighting against each other and precious little time fighting for each other in our internal debates.

No, Senator McCain isn't right about the tax cuts because he spent time in the Hilton. He is right because it is difficult to have guns AND butter at the level we currently have the guns. I like the tax cut, too...but my kids are 20 and 22 and I'd rather leave them in better shape.

Hew, we are spending about $2 billion a week on the War. Do you think, with all we are facing in the terms of social security, education, health care and infrastructure that this is the best use of tax dollars? Even you have got to admit we got suckered on Iraq...

I like Prime Rib. Have any nice Prime Rib places down your way?

Take Care My Friend Regards,

Joe S.
 
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If you look at Obama's site, he is certainly a supporter of Second Amendment rights. I would guess that he is for reasonable Second Amendment rights. The NRA would like everyone to be able to carry armor piercing bullets and bazookas. If prohibiting those is gun control, I would suspect that the vast majority of Americans are for gun control!

You Obama bashers better get used to the name, in November it will be President Obama. America does not want another four years of Bush's pitiful policies.
 
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I am presently reading the current issue of American Spectator - which contains several articles on the subject of Property Rights. One sentence stood out " The Red threat stopped in 1991 & the Greens began their assault in 1992". One of the biggest threats to property rights is the regulation for the "good of the people" without compensation for the landowner's loss of value.

If there ever was a thought about "reasonable" restrictions - most moderate people would probably agree - but the people that run these organizations dedicated to removing gun rights will never stop until all guns are regulated/removed from personal possession & they have a government contract to support their "unproductive" life style on the backs of the taxpayers.

If it's President McCain will you promise to leave for a country like Cuba where there are no personal guns &/or personal freedoms. Sounds as if that is what you prefer.
 
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Come on, Hew. Do you really think we should be able to go into our local gun store and buy an M-4 with a bunch of high capacity mags and armour piercing ammo incase we are attacked by a heard of rabid rabbits?
No. I really thinkg that we should be able to go into our local gun store and buy an M-4 with high cap mags because we are law abiding citizens with rights conveyed upon us by the 2nd Ammendment to do so.

I DO THINK Senator McCain's POW past conveys on him a realistic appreciation for this country that no other candidate can come close to matching. I think his time "tied up" (I loved it when he used that line...) helped him to better see what we do well and not so well.
Sorry. The notion that McCain sees better what we do well and not so well because he was a POW blows over my head like a Randy Johnson fastball.

Hew, we are spending about $2 billion a week on the War. Do you think, with all we are facing in the terms of social security, education, health care and infrastructure that this is the best use of tax dollars? Even you have got to admit we got suckered on Iraq...
The notion that the war in Iraq is a drain on the economy and it robs other worthy programs of needed funds is a canard. In fact, the war has very little practical impact on our economy. In 2007 the entire military budget comprised 4% of our nation's GDP; still among the lowest percentages in this country's history. I've read estimates that the war in Iraq, specifically, accounts for 1% of our GDP. By comparison, WWII took 38%, Korea 14% and 9% for Vietnam. It's funny that some politicians want to pretend that the war is robbing our kids of schoolbooks, the border of a fence, or free health care to children attending private school and living in $400k houses, but have ZERO problems with massive entitlements and govt. handouts (which comprise a vastly higher % of the federal budget than does the war in Iraq). They never seemed to have qualms about reaching into other people's wallets to pay for PBS, NPR, NEA, etc. Paying for bullets for soldiers protecting Iraqi or Afghani children from being beheaded by thugs: BAD. Paying for Bill Moyers' leftist pablum on PBS and govt. subsidized "art" of plastic Jesus dolls suspended in mason jars of piss: GOOD.
 
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No. I really thinkg that we should be able to go into our local gun store and buy an M-4 with high cap mags because we are law abiding citizens with rights conveyed upon us by the 2nd Ammendment to do so.
Techinally the 2nd Amendment or anything in the Constitution does not convey any rights upon us. The Founders recognized that we are born with rights and the Constitution was written as a set of rules for what government can do. The Founders so distrusted the power of goverment that the "Bill of Rights" was enacted to specifically enumerate those rights that goverment may not infringe upon.
 
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Gang related crimes happen through out this country from time to time.
Often they will break into a residence on a hunch of finding a snitch and end up confronting the entire family, in whom may be totally innocent.

To think you have to use a blow gun to protect yourself is comical.

The fact that the real potential of 3 or 4 thugs are tresspassing in my house at 3 in the morning carrying oozies is enough reason for me to have the right to mount a 50 caliber auto to my bed post. Along with a missle launcher just in case they try to escape in their stolen vehical.

We need to get back to quickly executing justice whether in the field or in the courts.
That would fix alot of problems in a hurry for almost no cost. Simple and effective

It would help people understand that they need to behave theirselves.

Same for our borders. The cost would be insignificant and the results would be incredibly effective.
Pete
 
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Gang related crimes happen through out this country from time to time.
Often they will break into a residence on a hunch of finding a snitch and end up confronting the entire family, in whom may be totally innocent.

To think you have to use a blow gun to protect yourself is comical.

The fact that the real potential of 3 or 4 thugs are tresspassing in my house at 3 in the morning carrying oozies is enough reason for me to have the right to mount a 50 caliber auto to my bed post. Along with a missle launcher just in case they try to escape in their stolen vehical.
These are the people using guns illegally. Gun control isn't going to stop them. These photos were taken in front of a house I know, next to a truck that belonged to me. The kid in the middle had just been jumped in. After being willingly beaten, he then had to rob someone. The person on the left is Gabriel Clark-Aignor who was the leader of the GTS, and the person on the right is Timothy Becket (Gabes brother).

Aside from the gun control isse, what does each candidate stand when it comes to gang control....

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Actaully lets get this straight.

The problem is not the gun it's the person behind the trigger.

I can take any of my guns at home and lay them on the table and come back a hundred years from now it won't have killed anyone.

Perhaps we should outlaw cars. They kill more people than all the guns put together. I mean I know it's people driving them that cause the cars to kill other people but heck let's not take any personal responsibility...noooo...let's not do that..yep lets take everyones cars away..and heck what about baseball bats..and knives...oh yeah knives we should outlaw them too!!! But wait you want to take away the gun because it is the tool of distruction...perhaps we shall take away cars, baseball bats and knives..and sharp instruments. Does anyone not see the lunacy in this????

It's called personal responsibility folks. Some people should try it!!!

Ok I'm off the podium now.
 
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There is the risk of an innocent person getting killed crossing the street,,,so therefore should we limit transpertation to bicycles. Oh sorry people fall off bikes and die every year.

When will this insanity end.

I have the right to protect myself and family from anyone anywhere,,and in anyway possible. Chainsaws,brush hogs ,wood chippers,,,toenail clippers or cuticle sissors,,,,it should matter.



When 911 happened I guess we should have just ate it. Or maby wag our finger at the extremists. Or is wagging your finger considered harrassment and encouraging re-ingagement. in which case we should outlaw it. Hell,, God forbid we try to kill one of them and an innocent bystander gets knocked over and scrapes his knee.

There will always be crime and there always was. But if you treat violent crimes as if they were violent you would make it less attractive to engage in. And you would save big money and rid the earth of scumbags

Everyone has civil rights except the honest guy that minds his own buisness. How dare he try to protect himself and possibly injure or kill an innocent member of his family by tring to stop an intruder.

So in order to protect our family or society it is best to bend over and take it.,,, after all somebody may get hurt.
 
G
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Wow i think i'm going to be the outsider here but hey, Democrats can hunt too right! I think i need to go against the grain and offer some support to Obama.

I think this Farrakhan stuff is pointless. Obama completely rejected what he stands for and didn't ask for the endorsement. He can't control their opinions.

It would be like the Ku Klux Clan endorsing me because i'm white. I can't stop them but i certainly reject what they stand for.

Also stop worrying about gun rights regarding Obama or McCain. (thankfully Hillary is on the way out) We have our shotguns and rifles today and we're going to have them 8 years from now.

This is some introduction i am making!
I'll go all the way. My name is Ron from new Jersey and i've been hunting about 12 years. I'm 27.

I'm in the process of getting a chocolate lab. The pup will be born mid-march and we'll get the little guy home i think in mid May so i'm sure i'll be back asking all sorts of questions when training starts.
 
#50 ·
Chelsie Clinton was interviewing a US solder.
She asked "what do you fear most"
The solder replied "three things"
#1 Osama
#2 Obama
#3 Yo Momma
 
#52 ·
You guys can dance around the issue all you want and come up with all the chickensheet excuses you need for protecting your family but you can't ignore the fact that more innocent people are killed by guns that were bought for home protection, hunting, collecting than they ever were buy a home invader with an uzi.
Written and spoken words can be awfully powerful and dangerous, too. An extension of your logic would be that 1st Ammendment rights should be curtailed whenever words are bound to incite discontent or become dangerous. Let me guess...some parts of the Constitution you find more "chickensheet" than others, right?

I know you know me well enough to know I'm not suggesting we cut off the funds for guns and bullets.
You suggested that the Iraq war was an ecnomic drain that prevented us from spending money in more appropriate ways. I tried to demonstrate that in the grand scheme of things, money spent in Iraq is a drop in the bucket...a drop in the bucket compared to our entire budget, a drop in the bucket compared to BS entitlements, and a drop in the bucket compared to other wars this nation has fought.

So...what's the word on the prime rib joints?
Got a Ruth's Chris Steak House and a Del Friscos within 2 miles of my Vast Rightwing Residence. Surely the govt. sends you to our fair city for a convention now and then?
 
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Got a Ruth's Chris Steak House and a Del Friscos within 2 miles of my Vast Rightwing Residence. Surely the govt. sends you to our fair city for a convention now and then?
SEE! There it is as I live and breath...COMMON-FING-GROUND between the Vast Rightwinger and No-haired Liberal! See, I knew we would find it if we looked hard enough.

Actually, I don't travel on the Uncle's Dime all that often and haven't yet to FLA. Some of the guys get down for an occassional space launch depending on what is powering the payload and we are getting some business with the AF up north but that is it. I tend to go to the NM area more with the occassional trip to NV...but you never know.

Make Mine Medium With A Nice Side Of Shrooms Regards,

Joe S.
 
#55 ·
I think growing up in certain areas of the country and being exposed to that environment will influence your view on fire arms and how they should be handled.

I spent most of my adult life in the North West where people had rifles and guns as permanent fixures in their trucks and homes. It was viewed no different than the vase on the coffee table,, or tea pot on the stove.


No one made a stink over it except maby to comment "what a nice piece that is"

I can only remember of hearing about 2 home invasions in the local news.
Once an intruder was stopped and kept at bay and another time an 80 year old lady drove an intended rapest right out the front door and winged him on the front lawn with a 357. Awsome dude..

I doubt that ,,,that ora surrounds washington DC or most places in the North East.

Thats why when people who have responsibly used guns and lived with them in plain sight their whole life without incodent,,,, cock or shake their heads when some goody two shoe tries to make everyone live by their standard. If people mind their own business and become responsible for their own affairs the world would be a much better place.

If people are afraid of guns they need to stay away from them. But their fears shouldn't inpact my life. If they stay in the closet they can think anyway they want.

Its when they push their way of life on others who want no part of what they have to offer and try to make a law supporting their fears that causes these little wars.

If everyone who has made a mistake with a gun,car,shopping cart,bike,bungie cord ,,,you fill in the blank, passed laws so it will never happens again,,,,, we will all be sitting on the couch looking like the Culhanes on Hee Haw,,,, Sitting still, looking straight ahead and apparently dead looking. But that to me sounds like an unhealthy way to live a life. So lets pass a law against it.
Pete
 
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Here Here! Well said Pete!