[captainjack]

Post on the Amatuer thread said working class stiffs are competing in FTs. Just wondering if the RTFrs can name 10 Amatuers who are working class stiffs (My definition is 40 hour week). who have 100% trained their own dog (my definition = never sent the FC/AFC dog to a pro for training) that have made an FC or AFC in the past ten years.

Lets see if we can get to ten.

 

[BonMallari]

does that include amateurs that may be retired or semi retired, because I can start that list at 5

1. Chris Hatch

2. Don Graves

3. Linda Erwin

4. Arnie Erwin

5. Roy McFall

 

[The Snows]

Scott Adams (Labber here on RTF) and NAFTCH FTCH AFTCH Mjolnirs Bluebill of Allanport (Blue won the Canadian National Am this year).

 

[Chris Atkinson]

John Gassner and Andy Whitely should count on this one for Jake. I don't recall if Jake was FC/AFC or both, but I know he was titled and both were working fulltime regular jobs. As far as I know, Jake did not spend any time with a pro.

Chris

 

[Dave Kress]

Sonny Free with AFC Zip-

What about Lanse Brown, Bobby Smith with AFC Pride, Lorrie Jolly ( a few years ago), Laneer Fogg, Randy Bohn before being a pro, Jimmy Darnell, John Cavangh, Bill wirtz, Stan Chiars, now I need coffee to get more flowing as I believe this may be a long list.
dk

 

[BonMallari]

Sonny Free with AFC Zip-

What about Lanse Brown, Bobby Smith with AFC Pride, Lorrie Jolly ( a few years ago), Laneer Fogg, Randy Bohn before being a pro, Jimmy Darnell, John Cavangh, Bill wirtz, Stan Chiars, now I need coffee to get more flowing as I believe this may be a long list.
dk

Lanse has used the Van Engen's to start, and also taken handling instruction from Rorem....but it doesnt take away from his record of accomplishments

 

[DoubleHaul]

By my work schedule, 40 hours per week would be part time. If I didn't work twice that we might be able to train more than just on weekends and might actually finish an AA trial. Still, we train when we can and try to do better in the next trial than we did in the last one.

Years ago when I played competitive golf, folks would sometimes muse about why those who couldn't even break 80 would even bother to play. The truth is that even if you are a total hacker, some time during the round you are going to catch one flush. It is such a great feeling it keeps one coming back even if for every good shot there are 99 scrapes. That is how we are at FTs. It may be one series, one bird or even one at the next trial, but to line the critter up and see him nail it just once keeps us coming back even if we are a long way from AA ribbons.

 

[captainjack]

does that include amateurs that may be retired or semi retired, because I can start that list at 5

1. Chris Hatch

2. Don Graves

3. Linda Erwin

4. Arnie Erwin

5. Roy McFall

No it does not. Working class stiff = working 40 hours a week (My definition)

 

[captainjack]

Sonny Free with AFC Zip-

What about Lanse Brown, Bobby Smith with AFC Pride, Lorrie Jolly ( a few years ago), Laneer Fogg, Randy Bohn before being a pro, Jimmy Darnell, John Cavangh, Bill wirtz, Stan Chiars, now I need coffee to get more flowing as I believe this may be a long list.
dk

Wow, I didn't realize all these folks worked a 40 hour week regular job and never sent their FC/AFC dogs to a pro.

Very impressive!

 

[olclamman]

heres two more bob willow don driggers jersy guys

 

[moscowitz]

He said people that work 40 hrs. Lets not BS. Some of those names are prof amat

 

[kip]

whats the sin of using a pro? i have made several fc/afc dogs. some with help as in summer training and running when i couldnt go to a trial. if you have a good pro around you it is stupid not to use them. its not a money thing. most are good hard working people some are assholes. you have to find one that fits you.

 

[Brad Turner]

whats the sin of using a pro? i have made several fc/afc dogs. some with help as in summer training and running when i couldnt go to a trial. if you have a good pro around you it is stupid not to use them. its not a money thing. most are good hard working people some are assholes. you have to find one that fits you.

I don't think that the OP meant this to be a " knock on those who use pros" thread. I believe he just wants to know how many do it all themselves and work regular jobs.

I would venture a guess that not many do it and work full time jobs. Many of the previously mentioned folks are retired.

 

[Buzz]

whats the sin of using a pro? i have made several fc/afc dogs. some with help as in summer training and running when i couldnt go to a trial. if you have a good pro around you it is stupid not to use them. its not a money thing. most are good hard working people some are assholes. you have to find one that fits you.

I believe that paying for the services of a pro can be cheaper than doing it all yourself.

 

[BonMallari]

No it does not. Working class stiff = working 40 hours a week (My definition)

Linda and Arnie produced FC AFC's while they were teachers in SoCal, Roy McFall produced multiple FC AFC during the days when he worked and all three have produced champions in the last 10 yrs

 

[moonstonelabs]

I am not sure Don Graves qualifies...retired and used Patopia. Not sure about Hatch, I do know he works. Most mentioned earlier though are retired. It is tough to meet the OP's requiremnet. John Cavanaugh is the only one I know of.

Bill

 

[kip]

if someone should attend a seminar or buys a set of dvds does that means he or she used a pro?

 

[Becky Mills]

Valerie Marks. I think Valerie works 40 hours a week, I've never asked her, but I believe she does have some flexibility in her hours.
She is the proud human standing beside AFC Catcher.
And yes, Chris, Jake does have his FC/AFC and a JH on top of that.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

if someone should attend a seminar or buys a set of dvds does that means he or she used a pro?

I would not say it does @ all. Using a pro is writing a check to a pro for training &/or handling in FTs IMO.

 

[Golddogs]

I would include Jim Pickering. Put an AFC on Jake while he was still in Texas. Not sure if he was still working when he got his others.