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roguerunner

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Looking for a little advice.

I get first pick on an upcoming strong field trial litter. Ive never had first pick and looking for opinions on how people handle the feat.

Ive had the runt that proved an incredible girl with more drive than I could ask for, so whats the next step? Only thing I know is male the rest is open.

thanks!
 
Assuming you want a FT dog... look for a pup that has strong prey drive.... likes water... is somewhat independent ...and is black:)

I also like the pups that are born 1st and second and those that show highest weight gain in the litter during the first 2-3 weeks, a good breeder should have this info and also in today's world there is a concern of CNM and EIC carriers among some buyers.

Don't forget to wear a white coat and bring a coin, good luck:cool:
 
Ask the breeder. Look for eye contact. I can assure you MANY Field Champions and National Field champions were not picked on the basis of birth order nor weight gain.
 
It would be interesting to know if there is any real evidence regarding first born, heaviest, etc... Personally I'd think not. Of course I was first born twin and bigger of the two of us, so maybe I should agree? LOL

For the OP - Perhaps let the breeder separate out three or four pups that, at this time, meet your criteria - and pick from those. That way you are still making a choice as to which pup you will be taking home.
 
First pick is over rated and way too obsessed over, other than assuring you better odds of getting a puppy before the litter whelps. Some of my best, and those of many others, have been the "leftover", last pick, etc. Some of my worst have been first pick. And vice versa. Because it is a roll of the dice, at 7-8 weeks. IF the breeder is knowledgeable and has run stuff themselves, whatever venue you're looking at, then by all means ask for their input, which one would they choose for themselves for potential FT or HT or whatever venue. If they haven't run or produced anything themselves, are just breeding paper and titles, don't really know all that much about the actual dogs in the field, you'll have to take their advice with a grain of salt. Some don't actually know much or do as much as they claim. Look them and their dogs up on EE before you put a ton of weight into what they are telling you. Of course, hopefully you have done all that before you ever put a deposit down.

I try to rule out the negatives first, are there any physical flaws that I don't personally like? Shy/timid? Middle of the road is good, sometimes the "naughty" one is eye catching but maybe not the best prospect for a team player. So many want the "alpha". Or they think they do, and have no clue, what alpha even is, or what to do with it.

But most of all, remember that at 7-8 weeks, you can only tell so much, the dynamics change when pup leaves the litter. If the pedigree and clearances are there, pick the pup you like, do your part in socializing and training the dog you got, and go as far as you can or want.
 
I know of a two time national finalist chosen based on the size of his manhood.
 
I too believe "pick of the litter" is overrated.
In our limited breedings we've been fortunately blessed to produce 4 FCs, QAAs and MHs. 2 of the FCs were the last pups taken. One of the first taken was a runt that QAAed. Most of the pups seemed to be very close in all of the above listed desirable traits.
My last breeding produced 8 pups that seemed close as well, with the exception on one that we thought might be a bit of a "pig". Boy were we fooled. He's probably the hottest pup out of the litter. On the flip side, the one that I thought would be really nice surprised us by hating the drudgery of truck life and was washed out as a trial dog and now used as a hunting dog only.
Im not sure that just reaching into the pack and grabbing one isn't just as good as spending time in observing the litter. My personal best pups have been the ones that just liked me for some reason. Our 2nd Cosmo litter produced an obnoxious, hyperactive in your face pup that I was kindof forced to keep even though I couldn't stand her (at first). She became very quiet, tractable, and could mark lights out. She handle on 1 HT mark in her whole life!!! She was special!!!
 
If you have a gender preference you are half way there, segregate that group, close your eyes, and grab one, the things people look for in 6-8 week old puppies are mostly meaningless. 3X NFC Candlewood's Tanks A Lot was the puppy no one wanted and there are many other examples.
 
I try to rule out the negatives first, are there any physical flaws that I don't personally like? Shy/timid? Middle of the road is good, sometimes the "naughty" one is eye catching but maybe not the best prospect for a team player. So many want the "alpha". Or they think they do, and have no clue, what alpha even is, or what to do with it.
Kim
I agree with most of your post,especially this. Just like you can see these traits that I copied above you can see other favorable traits also.
Thats why picking is important, if you just let a 'breeder"send you a pup they may send you the shy,fearful,pain in the ass and may not even know it. The term breeder is what it is. They stick 2 dogs together.
It all depends who the breeder is. I would trust you among others but the majority of people who have only a few litters in their life("breeders") don't know what their looking at. Especially if they haven't trained them.
Most of the dogs I have bought sight unseen over the years have been what I consider not close to my standards and that includes some fc to fc breedings. Yet every dog I have picked by putting my eyes on them have been nice to train and a team player. I believe there is something to picking a nice pup,both for field and the couch. I have trained multiple pups out of plenty of litters,I find my initial observation at 7 or 8 weeks were the same as they matured. While I don't think its possible to know for sure the best pup in the litter(the whole dog) one can certainly pick good one as opposed to a bad one.
I think that when the last of the picks are superior pups either the whole litter was really nice or there were plenty of poor pickers who picked a pack of puppies.

Pete
 
If you far to go, pick the one that pooped last
 
I must be a poor picker. Because I have sold some good ones, kept others, not so good.
Agree with Kim. Especially this part..

But most of all, remember that at 7-8 weeks, you can only tell so much, the dynamics change when pup leaves the litter. If the pedigree and clearances are there, pick the pup you like, do your part in socializing and training the dog you got, and go as far as you can or want.
 
But most of all, remember that at 7-8 weeks, you can only tell so much, the dynamics change when pup leaves the litter. If the pedigree and clearances are there, pick the pup you like, do your part in socializing and training the dog you got, and go as far as you can or want.
Separate the sex you do not want from what you do want.
Sit down in the middle of the rest & see which one/s want
to be around you. Rest assured some can't miss litters do.

Take the pup that likes you! Works quite well :).

1967 NFC Butte's Blue Moon was the one no one wanted & was given to
Bob Sparks @ 6 months of age with relatively no training.

Best dog I had came to me @ 4 months as I had lost a dog. Originally passed
on the litter as the ad read "Get your Chocolate factor Here".
 
Best dog I had came to me @ 4 months as I had lost a dog. Originally passed
on the litter as the ad read "Get your Chocolate factor Here".
AFC Mom's Boy Rip?
 
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