[LavenderLabs]

hey guys

I got myself into a problem. I have been working on Tanner with cold blinds and now He keeps popping. Should I do more sight blinds? How do I get him to stop popping? I think i caught It early enough that i can get it out of him. He runs blinds as hard as his marks but Just started popping 2 days ago.

Any help would be greatful

 

[Ed Hogan]

Is the pop on blinds or marks or both?

 

[LavenderLabs]

Only on blinds, I Have never handled him on a mark.

 

[Kris Hunt]

Where is he popping (beginning of the blind, throughout??) what does he do if you do nothing? what do you do when he pops?

Kris

 

[LavenderLabs]

Where is he popping (beginning of the blind, throughout??) what does he do if you do nothing? what do you do when he pops?

Kris

Kris

The first time he did it, it was about 10 yard from me. When he popped said NO and Back, he never looked back. The next time I ran one he never poped. Then Today he popped at about 10-15 yards from me. I yelled at him and said back and then I ran 1 more ans he never poped.

 

[Sue Kiefer]

Run multiple blinds in a field without any factors in it. If he pops just say "Back" NOT No just "back".End the session when he hasn't popped.Never end it when he has popped on a blind.
Just go, stop,come responses.Don't expect anything else.Don't fiddle on the line, don't call back. Move up to simplify.
Good Luck!!
Sue

 

[camhuff]

Keep all your blinds short at this time to build confindence. Also if colar conditioned be extremely carefull if you correct with the colar, can make matters worst.

 

[LavenderLabs]

thanks guys

I went out a bit ago and really got him pumped up. I have been using nothing but bumpers but I got a couple fresh pigeons and did some marks then went and did a blind with pigeons. WOW what a different dog. I'm going to go and try it again tomarrow. I'm also going to shorten them up and get him really excited and his confidence up.

Thanks a ton guys

 

[TY 4]

hey guys

I got myself into a problem. I have been working on Tanner with cold blinds and now He keeps popping.

Is he CCed? What training program are you following? Does the dog know what you are asking of him? When you run into a problem in training: stop, back -up , and SIMPLIFY. I would try going back to "pile work" stick to pile, force to pile, sit to pile, and come in from pile. When these concepts are learned you can put "Direct Pressure" with the collar on popping issues i.e. "Back-Nick-Back". I have used this correction on "pops" effectively and was able to spin a dog right out of a pop. Good luck!

 

[Steve Babcock]

Sometimes hard going dogs will pop when learning cold blinds. I wouldn't use pressure just say back. He's already got enough momentum. If you use pressure on a hard charger you might get him spinning. Keep doing what you are doing, and maybe add some Wagon Wheels once or twice a week.

 

[Zoe's next]

If you can anticipate his pop, you can often prevent it with a BACK verbal reinforcement just as he starts to lose momentum. I also like the idea of going back to pile work/FTP for a session or two.

Once he pops, it's always fun just to ignore him and see what he does next.

 

[ErinsEdge]

I would not use pressure. He is learning and making the transition to the field. It usually goes away with confidence. If he has a tendency to spin to your right, be prepared to say back with your left arm up.

 

[TY 4]

Sometimes hard going dogs will pop when learning cold blinds. I wouldn't use pressure just say back. He's already got enough momentum. If you use pressure on a hard charger you might get him spinning. Keep doing what you are doing, and maybe add some Wagon Wheels once or twice a week.

I totally disagree with you, popping is unacceptable, you have to ask yourself “WHY” is he popping i.e. dog doesn’t understand? confidence issue? , a hole in your training program? The man stated he is running cold blinds with his dog, to me the dog would have had some sort of (pressure conditioning) CCing/ force to pile. Look at some training programs by proven trainers like Evan Graham and Mike Lardy; they teach pressure conditioning tactics (CCing, Stick to pile Force to pile all forms of pressure) before they even considering running cold blinds. Dogs have to be taught on excepting pressure, and show how to get out of it. How are you going to reinforce the “pop” by just saying “BACK”? It’s not going to happen; some pressure has to be added like a” BACK-NICK-BACK”. A conditioned dog will not have a problem with excepting pressure because, of previous teachings he learned in “pile work” stick to pile, force to pile, etc. After pile work comes, mini-T & double T, you reinforce with a “nick” on popping, just like in FFing, reinforce with an ear pinch for refusals.

 

[Steve Babcock]

It's not a matter if the dog will accept pressure, but is the pressure appropriate for this case. Pressure is not always the answer. All the force to pile stuff does is add momentum, but the poster said the dog runs blinds as fast as it does marks. It has plenty of momentum. I was day training in TX with a pro, who got in a female lab who was ready to age out of derby, she had a few derby points and had been in training with another pro. She was very fast, very stylish. Her problem was she was popping on blinds. The Pro evaluated her and concluded she had been burnt too much for going back to old falls. All he did was say back when she popped, and the popping stopped in about two weeks. She is now an AA dog with open points. If he had burnt her she probably would have been washed out. Pressure can cause popping, calling back too much for PIL is a good example. My suggestion still is just say back. If it doesn't work then consider pressure.