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I was trying to work on speeding up a sit on return from a pile.

My question is about lagging while anticipating the whistle on the return. I wasn't worried about the lagging because I figure I can correct for 'here' also. I did one right after the other and the sit was getting better.

Since I've got lagging should I just start correcting for 'here'?

I've never really done this and am feeling like I'm getting too smart for my own britches. Am I about to mess up? It seems sort of like collar conditioning without a checkcord using the whistle.

I've got out of order with my dog and have back tracked some. I've already done some of the single tee, and lining the main line on the TT, but I know its sloppy and want to work on things like the slow sit now.

 

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Well yesterday when I got back at it, there wasn't any lagging. There was a full speed ahead return, then trying to slow down to stop on the whistle resulting in the bumper falling out, then a step forward out of the sit to pick up the bumper which was a violation of sit to me. While I was correcting for sit she was picking up the bumper and sitting back down.

Hmmm, pressure does mean to fetch the bumper, but I didn't let up on the pressure until her butt was on the ground. If she makes sense out of it, and adjusts, thats ok with me. She is probally spitting the bumper out to be a dufus.

 

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Thanks, after thinking about it a while I had decided not to correct on the lagging. I decided to leave the 'here' corrections for another day. It would be different if I had her on a lead like in collar conditioning.

When I got out training yesterday, she hesitated once and I said 'here' and then she was running full steam as usual. I started stopping almost every time and she never lagged.

I've been reading my Retrievers ONLINE articles about praise, reinforcement, correction, etc... and marveling about the things I do wrong.

Is there anything wrong with just throwing a bumper and stopping the dog on the whistle on the return, or just sitting the dog and calling it to you then stopping. I would probally add fun bumpers into the mix, but I have been reading that it adds another sequence to the chain of events that is expected by the dog with anticipation, and because of that it is not good for a performance event. :?

My little dog is not perfect, but she does go until she starts to sound hoarce and then you know its time to stop. The vet tech told me her lungs sound great. She is a little athlete to be sure. She is not the type of dog that pops and you wonder if she is getting tired or something. She goes till you know she is tired from her breathing, and I stop if she is breathing a little too hard. That is with pile type work. She did used to pop on birds though.

 

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In the midst of all this rambling, I'm trying to speed up her sit so she can run blinds. The funny thing is that yesterday I realized that at the level I am using the collar she could care less what I'm doing :shock: Since she is older now, the shock doesn't concern her like it used to. I do believe anything under a level four is meaningless at this point. :?

I beleive I will go back and do some obedience work for a while. :idea:

 

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I'll reread this a little better after I get home from work, but to explain it a little better. My dog has a slow sit and I want to fix it. When she sits slow, I am correcting. That is the only time I am correcting. Too much momentum is part of her problem. I can't make her sit fast.

Thanks for the replys.

 

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I'm going to try and let this thread die now, but to sum it up, my pup is sloppy and has a slow sit and I'm half way determined to fix it. I was stopping on the return from a pile because that is clearly one of the steps in the Lardy articles that I didn't do.

It didn't work well and I have been trying to figure out why. Basically I have a hole in my training. She drops the bumper when she stops on a whistle. Try correcting for sit with the collar after a dog thats been conditioned to fetching has just dropped a bumper.

The problem has been identified. I'm going to heel around with the bumper in her mouth, and make her sit. Then, I'm going to call her to me with the bumper in the mouth and make her sit in route. Basically, I'm going all the way back to hold. I'm going to do the same with a bird.

I discovered a better level to work with her on the collar, and learned that basically she is collar fetched already. I'm trying to up the standard and making progress.