Doing mini tee work and getting a slow sit. I cc to sit yesterday and today then followed with t- work and I’m getting slow sit. When I cc to sit I can’t get any focal out of him know mater how high I go. But when he’s walking at heel if I blow the sit whistle he will sit quicker then you can correct him but then walk over and mini tee work slow sits. He is cc, ff ,ftp. and 14 months old following sw.
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Doing mini tee work and getting a slow sit. I cc to sit yesterday and today then followed with t- work and I’m getting slow sit. When I cc to sit I can’t get any focal out of him know mater how high I go. But when he’s walking at heel if I blow the sit whistle he will sit quicker then you can correct him but then walk over and mini tee work slow sits. He is cc, ff ,ftp. and 14 months old following sw.
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something i found to help with a slow sit is a lot of work in the remote position... 50 ft lead with here then sit and do your consitioning with this drill. it has helped my dogs in the past even to the extent of a loop sit.. it might work. make sure that is done at a distance. it seems that might be the problem.. he or she is good at the side and understands the corrects is coming from you, but when away from the side the sit gets slow... so make sure you have a 50 ft lead and work with the dog coming towards you. hope it helps...
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Yes I do and following it to a T.
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Just reinforce it by your side.
Know beyond a doubt that it's there before you move on. In another words, "Slow Down". You will get there sooner if you slow down.
Know beyond a doubt that it's there before you move on. In another words, "Slow Down". You will get there sooner if you slow down.
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Just a little confused I thought I was going slowly and thought he was ready to move on. Sitting in front of me taking both back rotations and over’s he has been 100% at casting.Just reinforce it by your side.
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So your dog is firing out there hard when sent for the Back bumper? And when you hit the sit whistle, he also hits the end of the slack in the rope? He does this but does not stop sharply?
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I'm no expert but I had a slow sit on my youngen'. On seperate session, I would throw tennis ball 2 3 times and the 4th one do a fake throw then blow whistle with a nick, as soon as he sits throw the ball at him. Expect a faster sit soon he figure out the 'game' and only reward a fast sit. Major improvement on my pup remote sit w/o stressing the pup.
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Yes he fires out there I hit the sit whistle also stopping with rope and he stops quickly from the rope but turns around slowly then sits after taking one or two steps towards me.
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That's what we'll do this dog can be thick headed at times but not all time. We will be more thorough with sit then try again. I thought this might happen.
http://retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53505
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My two cents is go back to "sit to pile" and fix this before moving on to T work. I was also told I (I had the same issue) should have fixed a slow sit by commanding SIT on the way back in from the pile before moving on to stopping the dog on SIT on the way to the pile.
Also, I made considerable headway on a slow SIT and a loopy SIT in one session using the collar compared to 5 sessions using rope. Maybe I wasn't using the rope properly but the collar was much easier.
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I appreciate your thoughts on this topic. But, in the system 25-ott-06 is using that would be contrary in several ways. We use a lightweight rope for low pressure, but highly reliable control, and it continues to be part of the process through Mini-T, even after the e-collar becomes involved.
We do not use a "sit pile". I perform that task in Mini-T, following customary e-collar conditioning to "sit". Having already completed 3-handed casting to establish the 3 primary casts, the Mini-T is done in the same place so the dog knows the rules there, and where all the casts are. The only function added is remote stop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM8ySAOngnM
His situation is an exception to the norm. But those things happen. Our job is to adapt the training to the dog, and the first item is to re-condition the dog for more reliable responses to the sit whistle. He has the program, and is now embarking on that course. It will be an easy and logical transition back into Mini-T, once those responses have been cleaned up.
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Thanks for the vid. It clears thing up immensely.
What I see is your forward momentum slowing thus slowing your dog, then the whistle comes.
If it were me, I would have extra slack in my lead, keep the same walking pace, blow the whistle and simultaneously drop the lead and keep on walking.
If he sits immediately, give him the police stop, continue walking a bit and face him. Call him to heel and repeat.
One more little thing. Instead of turning a 45 degree into the dog try holding your left hand back with the lead and turning a 90 into him. I did like the way you stepped into heel with your left foot.
What I see is your forward momentum slowing thus slowing your dog, then the whistle comes.
If it were me, I would have extra slack in my lead, keep the same walking pace, blow the whistle and simultaneously drop the lead and keep on walking.
If he sits immediately, give him the police stop, continue walking a bit and face him. Call him to heel and repeat.
One more little thing. Instead of turning a 45 degree into the dog try holding your left hand back with the lead and turning a 90 into him. I did like the way you stepped into heel with your left foot.
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