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Yo Backwater,
Sorry, off topic. I just noticed your tag line.
I train with a littermate of "Raven", nice animal. He's running Quals now...

You’re blessed with extremely well bred dawgs. NO excuses
Yes John has two littermates as well, both qualified already. She is much better animal than I am trainer. I make no excuses either, come hunt with her anytime, ducks or pheasants, she set the standard for me, amazing animal. I should be ready to run the qual this summer, breeding her now to one of the best dogs I have ever been around, "Dealer" directly out of Ranger. He has the horsepower too, this litter should be breaking in the womb! Just the way I like em!

After getting her, I just assumed most field trial labs are all like her, not so. She raised the bar for me, I like her.
 
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Somewhere in this thread someone said something about having the NFC title and getting only the best. At least that is how I read the post, so I have some thoughts on that.

The dogs who win the national events are worth noting and remembering. Winning a national or being a finalist is an awesome accomplishment.

However, as has been said here and elsewhere, there is no guarantee that a national winner will be a great producer of talented pups.

Often if the national winner is a male, he becomes the popular stud dog of the day. Thus, there will be a lot of breedings with different bitches. It takes a number of years to find out if the stud dog can produce talented pups from his breedings. When successful, the stud dog seems to get the credit and the dam is forgotten. We need to keep in mind that the bitch and the dogs behind her bring as much to the table as the popular stud dog.

Not every puppy in a litter is going to be exceptional. They may have the potential, but to realize that potential it depends on where that puppy goes -- who buys the puppy, who trains it, and the ability of that trainer to bring out the pup's potential.

Off my soapbox,
Helen
Well they repeated the litter which produced my Raven dog, couldn't afford one this time! Must have been somehting there for an accomplished retriever man such as John Stracka to repeat the breeding!
 
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One thing I've learned after coming around here for while is to read more and post less. I've found that posting on forums is much like spoken conversation. Often those with the least to say talk (or post) the most.
 
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There's at least one that doesn't know the difference between: "trialer and trailer"

Just stirring the pot :cool:

Bingo!!! Finally!!
 
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When I first joined this forum I asked a ligitimate question about a HRC test. It was never, and repeat never a complaint, a question. Well, as a new guy the pack of wolves came out and attacked. Tried to eat me right down to the bone. I even got calls from my training partner telling me how they were bitching to him about my question, wow! I soon relaized how this forum worked so took it in stride and with humor. What was first started as my desire to learn turned into a feeding freenzy with me as the meat. The more I read the more I realized I wasn't special the newbies when asking a question mostly to get ate alive, this is normal here.

So, I now look at this as humor, with some very good advise mixed in once in a while. I have learned this...do not bring up the topic of:

1. High horsepower dogs because you will offend the "English" people or any other style of dog that thinks getting the bird when they have time is great, beside those dogs have great line manners.

2. Do not mention culling dogs....bad, all dogs are pets and have the right to organic snacks and a warm couch at night.

3. Do not mention the newest designer labs such as , English, Blocky Headed, Canoe, Pointing, Silver or what ever is next in line.

4. Do not have an opinion of what you demand in a dog and will feed, another words, your own standards because you will offend someone by your opinion. (It's call "strong" opinions) Remember even though these are your own opinions and standards you will offend. Gee I wonder if Lardy has standards of what he excepts???

5. Lastly, I have learned that I do not have to check this forum often here because just as my significant other hears things faster then lightning at her hair dresser, sure enough my training partner will get a call before this is even posted!

I am no different than many on here, but very different than some. I do demand the most from my dogs and I make no excuses. There are some very good dogs and trainers out there. I envy their dogs and methods and strive to attain what they have achieved. Hence, I buy my dogs from accomplished Field Trailers with very good dogs. I don't believe re-inventing the wheel. These men have worked very hard and done way more in the trial game than I will ever accomplish. The money I paid for their top breeding is money saved in the long run.

I also can appreciate a good dog be it yours or mine. A good dog is a good dog. but......a cull is a cull.

Now let the wolves attack and the phone calls begin. Good luck with your dogs.
One thing I have learned while in this game is usually those with strong opinions have very little knowledge.
 
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Discussion starter · #54 · (Edited)
One thing I have learned while in this game is usually those with strong opinions have very little knowledge.
Your right I do have very little retriever knowledge but I do know a good dog when I see one, as well a cull when I see one. I ran bear hounds for more than 20 years. In fact my first ever retriever went 5/5 at the senior level, then missed on two qualifying events and she just turned two, my first ever retriever. Trained by me with absolutely not one pro day session, much less living on a pro truck. I have so much to learn but promise you this....you will see more of me in the future. Hunting is my first priority, competition second, but I do love the trial game/people I have met along the way.

I noticed your smack on some one who has joined this forum in 2005 and thousands of posts, yet don't seem to see any FC AFC listed under your name??? As far as strong opinions go, what do you have, "blow in the wind attitude?" I promise you when I have almost a decade at this like you, I won't be posting on a board talking smack my dogs will do it for me. No excuses.

I also noticed that you sir, strongly opined that I have very little knowledge, when you have neither run aginst, watched my dog go, competed against, hunted with, nor trained with me or my dogs. Perhaps you fit the bill quite well of having very little knowledge.

I also have a pretty good sense of humor and have enjoyed this forum thus far. This thread has generated much entertainment values for others as it has me with over 3,000 views. I'd be more than happy to shake anyone's hand that enjoys these dogs as much as I do, I'm addicted bad and love the sport. Since my first post and the feeding freenzy that followed I have taken a "I don't give a sh...t attitude to most here. I sure am grateful to those I have trained with as they shared their knowledge with me, learning as I go.

Good luck with your dogs.
 
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I strongly recommend that for a good dose of humility go run some field trials, it will make you want to hit the trail.
 
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