[Mike Boyle]

Please forgive my ignorance here, and I hope not to be crucified for asking this, but what exactly is a "pop" or "popping"? I have found RTF and those of you on here very helpful, but am very new to a lot of these terms and situations.

I am getting my first Chessie in a few weeks, and I have already ordered Jackie Mertens video. I would love to get into either Lardy or Graham's system when the time comes, but for now I am trying to take as much from these posts and your experiences to try to help myself for the future.

Thanks in advance and I apologize for what may be a dumb question.

 

[Evan]

It would only have been a dumb question if you hadn't asked it. A 'pop' is an un-commanded stop. If your dog is en route to a fall (mark or blind) and stops without having been told, he's said to have "popped".

Sounds painful, doesn't it?

Evan

 

[captainjack]

Popping is when a dog, on a blind or marked retrieve, stops and turns toward the handler for help without being commanded to do so.

Check out the Glossary of Terms...
http://www.retrievertraining.net/

 

[Mike Boyle]

That's great! Thanks for the clarification and for the link to the glossary of terms. That should clear up a lot of the questions I may run into!

Thanks again.

 

[jtfreeman]

not a dumb question in my book.

Popping is basically when your dog stops and looks back at you for direction at a time when you did not intend for him to stop. The dog just did it on his own. This can happen when you start to teach your dog handling drills.

Your program will explain all the definitions when you get one. I had to learn them all when I started. If you know which program you are going to use then I would go ahead and purchase it and start studying. I got puppy then program and wish I had done it the other way.

 

[jtfreeman]

wow! three post while I was typing mine

 

[MSchack]

How is popping judged in a HT? Is it an automatic zero?

 

[MIDTNGRNHEAD]

"Pop" is my daughters' grandfather.

 

[YardleyLabs]

How is popping judged in a HT? Is it an automatic zero?

It depends on how you deal with it. If the dog returns to the retrieve with no signal from you, it would be treated as a ding, but not necessarily a drop. If you handled the dog, it would be a handle on the a mark and be scored accordingly. If the dog gives up and comes back without the bird, it is an automatic DQ unless the judges believe there was reason for confusion on the send. Given the amount of whistle noise (and even bird noise) present at a typical hunt test, judges are likely to give the dog the benefit of the doubt if they believe that might contributed to the pop. If it happens again, the story is likely to be different. Obviously the level of the test also affects how seriously it will be judged.

 

[Mistyriver]

How is popping judged in a HT? Is it an automatic zero?

It depends which level you are running. A Season dog that Pops on a Blind shall not be penalized according to the HRC rules.

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

You have gotten great answers, yet I feel compelled to ask the responders.
Does a dog need to stop, to pop???;-)


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[chladek]

In the SRS you would be dinged substantially. 4 post and 6 to go.

 

[Mistyriver]

You have gotten great answers, yet I feel compelled to ask the responders.
Does a dog need to stop, to pop???;-)


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Ken,

I think you tend to see a dog in water Pop and not stop sometimes. They may turn back around then complete a circle without a cast and other times wait for a cast. When my dog was younger she would occasionally pop if she heard me rattle my whistle or talking to the judge. (DAH).

 

[Brad B]

Good question Ken. I would treat a dog that turns and looks back just like I would had he stopped and popped in the conventional sense. So I would have to say no, they do not have to stop.

This of course is different from just a chance uncertainty of a dog maybe looking around to keep it's bearings or to watch another gun station or if it's unsure during a new drill.

 

[steve schreiner]

A POP without a stop is a PEEK...A complete spin is another problem ...A pop ( just sit and watch for a direction from the handler) depends on how long the dog sits...The first one if very short in nature is over looked , benefit goes to dog, may have heard something I didn't ....If it continues it shows lack of training and perseverance ...

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

At a hunt test quite a few years ago. Water series in a beaver pond that the dam had blown out on. Long run from running line to swimming water. First hard ground, then nasty muck, then lunging water, then the dog was swimming. So a feller and dog come to line and he sends the dog on the go bird. Dog is off like a rocket running straight to the mark. Gets to the muck/lunging water and never breaks stride or deviates from the line to the mark but. Looks back over its right shoulder at the handler. Handler raises his right arm straight up and loudly calls out “BACK”. Dog accelerates, hits swimming water. Pins the mark.
What was that?




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[Mike Tome]

At a hunt test quite a few years ago. Water series in a beaver pond that the dam had blown out on. Long run from running line to swimming water. First hard ground, then nasty muck, then lunging water, then the dog was swimming. So a feller and dog come to line and he sends the dog on the go bird. Dog is off like a rocket running straight to the mark. Gets to the muck/lunging water and never breaks stride or deviates from the line to the mark but. Looks back over its right shoulder at the handler. Handler raises his right arm straight up and loudly calls out “BACK”. Dog accelerates, hits swimming water. Pins the mark.
What was that?




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Slop????

 

[Tim Sharpe]

A handle on a mark.

 

[Joe Brakke]

Real quick to Newbies .... right under the RTF login logo there is a training section four or five links below the main log in screen ...... There is a document called GOT, it has all the terms listed there ... also welcome!
http://retrievertraining.net/got.htm

I think Fred F should spend some time on this one ....

 

[Steve Peacock]

At a hunt test quite a few years ago. Water series in a beaver pond that the dam had blown out on. Long run from running line to swimming water. First hard ground, then nasty muck, then lunging water, then the dog was swimming. So a feller and dog come to line and he sends the dog on the go bird. Dog is off like a rocket running straight to the mark. Gets to the muck/lunging water and never breaks stride or deviates from the line to the mark but. Looks back over its right shoulder at the handler. Handler raises his right arm straight up and loudly calls out “BACK”. Dog accelerates, hits swimming water. Pins the mark.
What was that?

Personal opinion, dog needs to stop to be a pop. The situation as you describe, I wouldn't say that the dog popped, but he was looking for help and since the handler decided to throw up an arm AND say "Back" then it was a handle to a mark.