[Trudy]

Hello,

I have a charcoal color lab: Bo-Ghy, his sister is a silver lab, both are training for trials in the Netherlands.
They show us a great job, but ofcourse we train for it!
He has a good karakter, (like most labs), and work like a lab, and not as a pointing dog.
As far as I read this alle, you hate them, but for me he is a good working dog, thats what count.....not his colour!
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[Trudy]

Here a picture of his sister and Bo-Ghy.
To show the differents in Silver and Charcoal.
Greetings, love to read the forum, and also learn a lot from it!

 

[Trudy]

Trudy
Is charcoal the same as black if so is silver the same as chocolate?

Your dog looks like a very light colored chocolate similiar to an all white lab which has a little yellow here around the edges.
I own some pockedotted labs but the AKC says their black,,,,go figure


Pete

Yes Pete in his pedigree stand black as colour, and in the one from his siter Chocolate.
The Mother is light silver and the father is carcoal.

 

[Trudy]

Just interested, do they have FCI recognized registrations?? And if from which Country?

Yes Sissi one from the AKC (registrated as black and chocolate) and also in the Netherlands.
But when they procuced a litter and they have the same colours (the pups) they still get a pedigree but with NRC on it. (not regognized colour).
These dogs may not breed anymore becouse of NRC...so these pups get not a pedigree anymore.

greetings Trudy

 

[Trudy]

My sister has a silver Lab which I guess is really a charcoal since it's more of a blue compared to my ash colored Chesapeakes. She got her dog as a rescue and there's little doubt she has Weimeraner in her, both from the look of her ears and the shape of her ribcage, even though she does look Lab, also. The people who originally had her dog, I believe, paid big bucks for her as a puppy as she matched their carpets and drapes but when she got to the chewing stage, they decided to get rid of her so my sister got her as they were about to take her to the pound. Like all of these silver Labs, she's the product of a brother sister breeding and has almost no branch to her family tree with one kennel name predominating.

The common kennel name that's in every silver Lab pedigree including probably Trudy's, bred Weimeraners and Labs in the 1980s and 'invented' the silver Lab about the time they stopped breeding Weims. There's little doubt a few Lab/Weim pups were falsely registered as pure Labs to get the color. About the time DNA testing became available, this same kennel was inspected by the AKC and offered up DNA as 'proof' their dogs were pure Labs. But at that time and til very recently, DNA testing could only prove the parents were those stated, and not even that if they weren't around for testing (i.e. the falsely registered mutts were long dead and buried by this time).

The silver color in Chesapeakes and other breeds, is a result of a dilution gene that is recessive but clearly has always existed in the breed as there's plenty of records of ash gray dogs. The ash color is merely a dilute brown. The charcoal seen in silver Labs is simply this dilution gene acting on black instead of brown.

This is a photo of my sister's silver Lab with two of my CBRs a couple years ago. This dog is about 8 now, and is what I guess you call blue or charcoal. While she looks silver here, when she's next to one of my 'silverpeakes' she looks charcoal.

Hello Julie,
Nice pic. I think the colour of Bo-Ghy is a litlle different....the breeder said he was a midium charcoal.
I sent a pic. from Bo-Ghy so you can see it.
greetings Trudy