when you tell my pup to sit he will and he will imediately but if you move or take a step he is right there moving with you.I have had him on pinch collar with some quick jerks of leash and sit and nothing.I have tried healing stick with pops to hind end sit and he will but as soon as you move,here he comes.I have tried with a collar on one with sit here he comes level 2- here he comes,3 a little flinch but still comes,level4 he will sit for about 3-4 seconds but then will come.(on level 4 I get very small peep out of him)Hehas been FF and trying to move to pile work and start handling soon but with him not remote sitting it is kind of hard.He is 11 mo old and will be one here in next couple of Days.
Wont sit.need suggestions
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when you tell my pup to sit he will and he will imediately but if you move or take a step he is right there moving with you.I have had him on pinch collar with some quick jerks of leash and sit and nothing.I have tried healing stick with pops to hind end sit and he will but as soon as you move,here he comes.I have tried with a collar on one with sit here he comes level 2- here he comes,3 a little flinch but still comes,level4 he will sit for about 3-4 seconds but then will come.(on level 4 I get very small peep out of him)Hehas been FF and trying to move to pile work and start handling soon but with him not remote sitting it is kind of hard.He is 11 mo old and will be one here in next couple of Days.
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Loop your long lead around a post before you walk away. Sounds like your pup need more learning and less enforcing.
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one more thought, dobbs also discusses the place boards. Follow the link.
http://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/retrievers/
http://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/retrievers/
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Thanks.How do you suggest I do more teaching when if you say sit he will fast but just wont stay there.How do you teach him to stay there without a little presure.Whenhe moves he gets presure and sitting turns it off.I appreciate the suggestions just need guidance on how to do it.I have never had a dog do this before.
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I am working on moving sit (in preparation for remote sit) with a male pup that tried the same thing. I went back to obedience work on a short (10 foot) check cord and refreshed him by starting out going nose to knees and backing up til he'd stay put while I was at the end of the rope, even if I tugged on it. Also did a little work on sit means sit for varying lengths of time (up to 2 minutes) and that seemed to help.
Here's a really helpful article for teaching the remote sit. I think it helps to teach the moving sit first, where you are heeling the dog and have it sit as you move off. Most of them learn it fairly quickly but the one I am working on now had to have a quick obedience refresher.
http://www.ponderosakennels.com/whistlesitart.htm
Here's a really helpful article for teaching the remote sit. I think it helps to teach the moving sit first, where you are heeling the dog and have it sit as you move off. Most of them learn it fairly quickly but the one I am working on now had to have a quick obedience refresher.
http://www.ponderosakennels.com/whistlesitart.htm
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When the dog gets up and comes to you after you move, do you give the command sit in the new location or do you bring the dog back to the spot he left and have the dog sit there?
I believe some teach cues for the dog to follow if you step off with the foot that is next to the dog when sitting. They teach the dog to stay when they step off with the opposite foot.
I believe some teach cues for the dog to follow if you step off with the foot that is next to the dog when sitting. They teach the dog to stay when they step off with the opposite foot.
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I have not been taking him to original spot where sit was started,should I..I have tried with him being on leash or rope and standing in front of him and backing away and tapping him in chest VERY lightly as he startes to creep or I use my foot on his chest but ot doesnt stop him.
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Well I guess the dog likes you and just wants to be with you…who can blame him for that?
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There are many ways to accomplish anything but here is something you can try:
When he comes, just grab him by the collar and bring him back, say “sit,” say “good boy” and move away.
Keep us posted on whatever method you choose and how it works out.
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There are many ways to accomplish anything but here is something you can try:
When he comes, just grab him by the collar and bring him back, say “sit,” say “good boy” and move away.
Keep us posted on whatever method you choose and how it works out.
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Get back to a short leash, have dog sit and walk to end of leash, put pressure on leash by pull towards you. If the pup gets up put him right back to spot where he was sitting and command "sit".
Back off collar pressure and go back to what he should know already.
This is called proofing.
Back off collar pressure and go back to what he should know already.
This is called proofing.
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fowl hunter said:
Will he sit and stay 6 inches from you? A foot? 3 feet? 6 feet? etc?
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FOWL HUNTER: in my career i have had a few dogs refuse to sit when i move away. A rope around a trailer hitch or post as suggested in another post is very effective for getting a handle on this problem. Also, take what the dog is willing to give at this time, example, can you take one step wilthout him following you, how about a half step, if not, just move a knee. This a very slow process, but you don't seem to have much choice, but to go slow. find the level at which the dog will stay, once you find it reach down and stroke him once with verbal praise. Stay at this distance for a minute or two, reaching down a stroking the dog every so often before taking another step backwards. The idea is to move in small steps until the dog feels comfortable with you backing away. I must reluctantly tell you that this is a gauge of quality that i used to determine a competitive dog's potential. I have never had a dog with this problem that did not have sever trainability limits.
hope this helps
GG
hope this helps
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I was thinking about this some more while out with the girls. I used to have a lot of trouble teaching the remote sit, even though they'd sit like little troopers when near me.
I started doing place work for the first time with Jada, and have continued to do it with Hannah. Both of these girls almost naturally sit right where they are when told to, even Hannah at 16 weeks of age. Place work may have laid the foundation for working away from the handler in a way that helps them understand the concept better. I can't think of anything else I've done differently with these girls that would have made the difference. Using multiple place boards makes casting fun and easy to teach, too.
Assuming you've got a solid sit/stay up close (with YOU leaving) you may want to do some place board work to instill the idea of the Dog leaving to work. It provides an easily definable work area for the dog.
Good luck!
I started doing place work for the first time with Jada, and have continued to do it with Hannah. Both of these girls almost naturally sit right where they are when told to, even Hannah at 16 weeks of age. Place work may have laid the foundation for working away from the handler in a way that helps them understand the concept better. I can't think of anything else I've done differently with these girls that would have made the difference. Using multiple place boards makes casting fun and easy to teach, too.
Assuming you've got a solid sit/stay up close (with YOU leaving) you may want to do some place board work to instill the idea of the Dog leaving to work. It provides an easily definable work area for the dog.
Good luck!
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When you sit him hold the leash in your left hand-with only a couple inches slack. Step off with your right foot & holding the leash taut-tell him to "Sit". You are literally going to just take a step & step back. Have him sit for a second more & release. Repeat a couple times. That's IT. Each day move up a bit to where you can face him & have him sit-only for a second or two at a time. If he goes to move-the leash is taut-say "Sit" & move back. It's going to feel like you're not making progress if you expect too much too soon, but he will get it if you're patient.
the fact that he's 11 months old doesn't mean he should know this based on chronological age-he only knows what has been made crystal clear to him and it's best to take tiny steps until he's sure that he sits until released. Make it like retrieving when he was little-just a couple repitions a day ending on a good note.
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Good discussion. I was afraid for a minute that it was going to be another seating on a duck thread :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Right now I can get about 1-2 feet in front of him before he comes.I know alot oif it is that he does want to be right next to me as he is my best friend.Someone mentioned in a PM that I didnt think about but he has always been taught to sit right next to me and when he was a pup on lead it was always next to me so he is only wanting to be right where I taught him to sit.I am just going to take it slow and I think the rope around a pole or trailer hitch is a good idea.Thanks for all the suggestions and i will try them and find one that works best for us and let yall know.
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Work on what he knows, even if you have to go just a foot and turn around and face him at first. As he gets solid you can extend distance away. Start with what he can do successfully (so you have opportunities to praise him) before adding distance. My pup is the same age as yours, turned 1 last week, and I thought he was slow learner but he'll now sit while I jog off and we're starting to sit on return on recalls. All this has been on lead. He has not been forced to pile so I'm not working on the sits with any retrieves.
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