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Ok, here's the real world way most people use a Pro 500, the logic goes back to the earlier collars that had individual plugs for each level. So whether you have to change plugs with older style collars or just turn a knob with new style collars, start with the lowest level your dog responds to. By that I mean, put it on "one" and heel your dog around, then press the low button and look for a slight shaking or cocking of the head, or any response that correlates with you pushing the button, if nothing happens on "one", go to "two" and repeat. Keep moving up until you get a response. Then use that plug or setting and move on, you should have plenty of addional power when needed with the other buttons, especially on continuous.

If later on when you discover the higher buttons are not getting the job done, go up a level and leave it there. Once dialed in you should have one setting for each dog for the life of that dog. I currently have two dogs, one is a #3 out of 5, the other is a #4 out of 5, I once had a dog that was a #5 out of 5. I have also noticed that not all collars, even the same model, are the same, some are hotter than others. My buddy's Pro-500 seemed hotter than mine, my dog would really vocalize when I used his on the same setting as mine.

Like others have said, no need to overthink this.

John

(edit) I think Ken and I are saying the same thing, there is a lot of overlap between levels by design.
 
Ok, here's the real world way most people use a Pro 500, the logic goes back to the earlier collars that had individual plugs for each level. So whether you have to change plugs with older style collars or just turn a knob with new style collars, start with the lowest level your dog responds to. By that I mean, put it on "one" and heel your dog around, then press the low button and look for a slight shaking or cocking of the head, or any response that correlates with you pushing the button, if nothing happens on "one", go to "two" and repeat. Keep moving up until you get a response. Then either use that plug or setting and move on, you should have plenty of addional power when needed with the other buttons, especially on continuous.

If later on when you discover the higher buttons are not getting the job done, go up a level and leave it there. Once dialed in you should have one setting for each dog for the life of that dog. I currently have two dogs, one is a #3 out of 5, the other is a #4 out of 5, I once had a dog that was a #5 out of 5. I have also noticed that not all collars, even the same model, are the same, some are hotter than others. My buddy's Pro-500 seemed hotter than mine, my dog would really vocalize when I used his on the same setting as mine.

Like others have said, no need to overthink this.

John

Too late............
 
and we typed at time same as well.
John, do you think the folk who do not know of the old plug collars are more apt to twist the dial up and down?
I don't know, but my having learned with the old plug system shaped my understanding of the Tritronic logic. The twist dial is sure a lot easier though, I still have a working LR-200 that has the green plug in it, don't know where the other colors are. My old "Judge" died a long time ago, that was a brutal collar!
 
I don't know, but my having learned with the old plug system shaped my understanding of the Tritronic logic. The twist dial is sure a lot easier though, I still have a working LR-200 that has the green plug in it, don't know where the other colors are. My old "Judge" died a long time ago, that was a brutal collar!
That's where I got my old test light... That was my first TriTronics collar.
 
Ken,
It's been 1 1/2 to 2 years since I used the collar on a dog, and it's been at least that long or longer since I tested mine on my hand. To be fair it's possible that my memory fails me as to how "hot" the levels were in comparison as far as say for example a 3H, and 4L. However, that's not something you forget so easily.

I proceed up the levels in cc to "here" just as Evan has described. I go back down and then out just as he's described.

This is the first time I've ever recalled hearing someone say that the levels overlap. I bought my Pro500xls after Evan Graham's first seminar in Des Plaines, Illinois back in 2003, 10 years ago. He and I are the only two people, at least that I know of, that has footage of that seminar. I don't recall him saying that a 3H is hotter than a 4L at that event, nor do I recall it at the Smartwork seminar in Columbus, Ohio, nor the seminar that myself, Pat Persing, and Otey Brabston put on for the Ohio River HRC. Not once did I here that. If they do indeed overlap it was not explained...and it still does not make sense for Tri-Tronics to make a product with 3 sub-levels on each of 6 main levels with some overlapping.

If in fact a 3H is hotter than a 4L, then it doesn't make sense for Evan to teach what he does, or to proceed up the scale the way he does. I will submit, I've used Evan's suggestions of how to proceed up and down the scale on 4 dogs without fail. I'm no dog trainer...and it was easy as pie. I didn't have to think about it, I just did it...and it works flawlessly.

I have Lardy's cc tape...watched it a couple of times and never looked back. He's a great trainer, and a great man, but Evan's program seemed to fit me as a student better. I also couldn't afford what Lardy wanted for his "stuff" back then.

Again, I am only speaking of how I would proceed in using this collar, just as Evan Graham showed us back in 2003. He was my first exposure ever to an e-collar...let alone retriever training. I am speaking specifically of his cc to "here". I got to use the collar a little using nicks while forcing to pile. Shortly after I retired my dog because of health issues. So, you might say that my experience with an e-collar has been severly limited...but what I do know is how I used it in conjunction with cc to "here". I suppose that progression is wrong.
 
As far as I know his first was in 2003. Perhaps I am wrong on this and shouldn't have mentioned it. I had a typo above and correct edited it.

I'm sure Evan will chime back in and let us know how long he's been at this.
Doesn't make any difference, just saw 19 years ago in 2003... And thought dang I'm gettin old faster than I thought!
 
Hoyt, I may be wrong, but I think the Tritronics collar is set up way different than you think it is, I believe it is close to a logrithmic scale such as the following. Rather than using volts or amps, I'll make up a unit called a "Yikes". Say a tenth of a Yike doesn't even register on a sleeping Chihuahua and a 100 electrcutes a raging Grizzly, here's how the collar is set up:

#1 Low = four tenths a Yike; Medium + four Yikes: and High = 40 Yikes
#2 Low = .5 Yikes; Medium = 5 Yikes and High = 50 Yikes
#3 Low = .6 Yikes; Medium = 6 Yikes and High = 60 Yikes
#4 Low = .7 Yikes; Medium = 7 Yikes and High = 70 Yikes
#5 Low = .8 Yikes; Medium = 8 Yikes and High = 80 Yikes
#6 Low = .9 Yikes; Medium = 9 Yikes and High = 90 Yikes

Though I exaggerated the scale, this is the way it seems to work in real life to me, a high on any level seems to be a much greater degree of burn than simply turning up a number. I hope this helps,

John
I like this. It should be on the TT box, or a sticky here.
 
http://www.lcsupply.com/Tritronics-Pro-500-G3-EXP-Collar/productinfo/PRO500/

Read the description...18 levels of momentary, 18 levels of continuous. How do you proceed up the scale if the scale isn't in order? It is indeed in order, 1-18 just like the gears on a mountain bike. It can't get any more simple than that. I am being told here that a level 9 (3high)is higher than a level 10 (4low)and I disagree. It doesn't make sense to advertise 18 levels in one mode and 18 in another if they are not consecutive in each mode.
 
http://www.lcsupply.com/Tritronics-Pro-500-G3-EXP-Collar/productinfo/PRO500/

Read the description...18 levels of momentary, 18 levels of continuous. How do you proceed up the scale if the scale isn't in order? It is indeed in order, 1-18 just like the gears on a mountain bike. It can't get any more simple than that. I am being told here that a level 9 (3high)is higher than a level 10 (4low)and I disagree. It doesn't make sense to advertise 18 levels in one mode and 18 in another if they are not consecutive in each mode.
All I can say from lots of experience is that you are wrong.
 
http://www.lcsupply.com/Tritronics-Pro-500-G3-EXP-Collar/productinfo/PRO500/

Read the description...18 levels of momentary, 18 levels of continuous. How do you proceed up the scale if the scale isn't in order? It is indeed in order, 1-18 just like the gears on a mountain bike. It can't get any more simple than that. I am being told here that a level 9 (3high)is higher than a level 10 (4low)and I disagree. It doesn't make sense to advertise 18 levels in one mode and 18 in another if they are not consecutive in each mode.
Hoyt, if you are this rigid over something like this, how can you train a dog? They have a brain and don't alway follow a plan right to the letter.
 
All I can say from lots of experience is that you are wrong.
I can live with your opinion.

Hoyt, if you are this rigid over something like this, how can you train a dog? They have a brain and don't alway follow a plan right to the letter.
How is explaining what I feel in my hand, and what I see on a lion country supply webpage...which by the way exactly matches the description on the Tri-tronics page...being rigid? I've just presented you some facts. Look at the description. By the way, you seemed to miss the post where I said I am not a dog trainer...at least I don't call myself one.


You are sitting there zapping yourself at each intensity level and telling someone else what makes sense:confused:
Yes, I zapped myself.




I speak from knowing how my collar felt AND it matches, as best as I can recall, how the collar is advertised...with 18 levels on each mode. It's not easily forgotten how hard an e-collar can hit on certain levels. May I ask what part of that lion country supply link doesn't make sense? That page identically matches the Tri-tronic page. All anyone has to do is take a look at both pages. No where does it say on those pages that the levels aren't consecutive. Nowhere does the instruction or the advertisment say, "Oh yeah, by the way, when you get to a 5H don't forget that it's hotter than a 6 Low".

May I ask:
What is the highest level on a Pro500?

The answer is a 6 high, which by the way is level 18, the exact highest level advertised and shown in the link provided and on the Tri-tronics site.

A 1 high would be level 3, then 2 high would be level 6, then 3 high would be level 9, then 4 high would be level 12, then 5 high would be level 15, and finally a 6 high would be level 18.

As of right now I have seen no written documented proof, that is made public from Tri-tronics, that levels overlap. So, I ask; What am I supposed to believe? I'll tell you. What I feel in my hand, the progression Mr. Graham showed us, and what Tri-tronics shows in advertising. Does that make sense to anyone? Is it unreasonable for me to believe that?

I suppose that because I take the time to try and explain what I've felt in my own hands, explain what I see in an advertisement, explain that I proceeded to cc to "here" just as Mr. Graham does it in his dvd, trying to be helpful while being respectful, that I'm being rigid.

Explaining this in writing may seem hard, reading and comprehending it may seem even harder to some. What I learned from Mr. Graham's dvd's as it relates to the progressive increasing of cc to the "here" command is NOT hard at all. It's easy as pie. It's much easier to understand and do than it was to try and explain this to you folks.


Respectfully bowing out...
 
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