Would like to enquire the mode of inheritance thoughts? Autosomal recessive???????
Undescending testicle - inheritance?
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Things are not always inherited Sometimes sh$@t just happens.
Issues that happen once out of certain lines I put it into the latter category. The recurring theme issues, i start looking at inheritance. And yes, it is thought to be autosomal recessive. I am sure they will come up with a DNA test for it.
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My current Male Golden was purchased from a Breeder in Oregon. We got him in October 2005, he had a strong field pedigree and the breeder seemed to be a good hobby breeder. The day after he arrived we took him to our vet to have him checked over. We found he had a testicle that had not dropped. Our breeder had assured us that the dog had been checked by their vet prior to flying to us. I called the breeder and asked that he 'discount' the dog to us as he was not shall we say, in tact'. I was upset, but since we were not planning to breed him, it was not a deal breaker. The breeder 'blew me off' and acted all upset that I would ask for a partial refund......obviously, I would never use this guy again or recommend him to anyone. At least maybe he knows to challenge his vet, if in fact his vet had checked the puppy over prior to sending to us.....
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This study is 5 years old and should be complete. Perhaps the results were ambiguous.
http://www.akcchf.org/research/funded-research/0882.html
http://www.akcchf.org/research/funded-research/0882.html
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Testicles may not drop for up to 6-8 months. How could either vet know what would happen? I've been in similar situations having owned or trained dogs with this condition and in my experience most breeders don't allow for this in their contracts. Really sucks if the plan was to breed. Don't know who you were dealing with but I'm pretty familiar with most the retriever folks in Oregon.
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A very uni-que situation!
Can't he get the job done with just one? I had a buddy who had to have one removed, and he says he can still do the job with the remaining one.
Can't he get the job done with just one? I had a buddy who had to have one removed, and he says he can still do the job with the remaining one.
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It's a bit late for this dog but for other readers.....
How old was the dog when the vet checked? If the breeder's vet found both and yours didn't, it's likely that time would have resolved the issue in favor of both descending. As said, 6-8 months is not out of the question.
Which one was "missing"? Generally accepted is the concept that if the left one is down, both will descend. If only the right one, there may be cause for concern. This because physiologically, they both descend through a common opening that is only big enough for them to descend one at a time and they are lined up so that the left one is first in line. If the left doesn't descend, the right one can't. If the left one does, the right may or may not.
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My one time experience for what it's worth. Breeder's vet exam showed one testicle undescended. Darn near didn't take the pup. Two weeks later at the initial exam by my vet testicle had descended.
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Keep sending pedigrees please: juliecramond@internode.on.net
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It is PRESUMED to be hereditary unless I am not privy to the completion of a definitive DNA study.
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Paul, My point was that our breeders vet should have notified them and they should have notified us before shipping the dog to us. Having a vet check up is required by the airlines prior to shipping, so either they have an idiot for a vet or they were dishonest, either way, it was done poorly! Also to all concerned we did have this dog neutered, he has been a good dog, not a great dog....but based on the way this was handled, we over paid for this dog.
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Perhaps you haven't read the rest of the thread. The breeder's vet apparently did check your puppy and found no problem. Young puppies have a bit of a tendency to "hide" one or both when stressed. An airline flight would be a good example of this. IOW, just because your vet found but one, doesn't mean that the breeder's vet didn't find two or that he was unethical or didn't examine the dog. You assumed too much.
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I believe that Dr. Root choose her words very carefully. She did say that under normal circumstances a cryptorchid puppy should be neutered. However, she did not say that a cryptorchid puppy will get cancer or that cryptorchidism was definitely genetic in nature. Probably yes, definitely no. I just checked her book. See page 291.
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Specifically to Swampcollie lover, I concur with Eric about one testicle possibly hiding, going back up. I had heard it described before, read about it and then witnessed it. Male pup 7 weeks both testicles down, same male pup 9 weeks can only find one now. This was the same Vet. He says that he knows that he felt it at 7, it will probably come back down in a couple of weeks. We think that we start feeling it at 11 weeks, we go in at 12 weeks, Vet(same Vet) confirms it is down.
I know that this was not the original question, but since this had been brought up I thought that I would add pertinent info.
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I know that this was not the original question, but since this had been brought up I thought that I would add pertinent info.
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I don't know when swampcollie lover picked up his pup, but I wouldn't think a vet would draw any conclusion or even be alarmed if a testicle was missing at seven weeks. I just picked a seven week old pup out of the litter a year ago. He was so small I didn't feel either testicle, after a week at home one wbecame apparent but it took another month for the other to appear.
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Notified them of what? It was a puppy. You seem to be missing the point about when nuts can drop.
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