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Has anyone read this?


http://akcdoglovers.com/2014/08/19/akc-welcomes-new-puppy-import-rules-that-protect-pets-and-people/


If you click on the 'new regulations' highlighted in the article it brings you to a Rules and Regulations article.

When reading this on an iPad on page 2 (not sure what the page will be if opened on a PC) the following is found "This rule does not apply when there is no transfer of ownership or control of a dog to another person for more than de minimis consideration after the dog’s importation into the United States. Therefore, dogs imported by a person who will use the dog as a personal pet, for sport, for shows or competitions, or for breeding or semen collection are not subject to the 6-month age restriction or any other requirements of this rule. Additionally, we do not consider dogs imported for training as working dogs to be imported for purposes of resale. Thus, the rule will not apply to puppies imported by legitimate training organizations for the purpose of training the dog to be a working dog."
 
OK.....some information from my recent Boarder crossing New Brunswick to Maine. Asked the Boarder TSA guy in the booth about what comunication he had on this matter and he stated.....None.... As far as he was concerned we could bring in a pup under 3 months old excempt for rabies vacination. He did not even know where to find the CDC communication on this matter but would have been willing to ask his supervisor. So if the guy in the booth don't know or care....I am not sure they are fully investaging any of this at this level. So.....I am sure it would be a high odds crap shoot that you would get your pup into the States with no problems at least at a land crossing.

Gar
 
Lpgar, i'm not surprise of that! SOOOO not surprise!
But in my situation i just can not ask the US buyers to take the risk of not being able to go back into USA with out the pup and get stock @ the border to finally coming back here leaving me the pup for another 2 months, i just can not!
From now on all my litters are going to be whelped in Vermont USA.......Professionally No choices!
 
Lpgar, i'm not surprise of that! SOOOO not surprise!
But in my situation i just can not ask the US buyers to take the risk of not being able to go back into USA with out the pup and get stock @ the border to finally coming back here leaving me the pup for another 2 months, i just can not!
From now on all my litters are going to be whelped in Vermont USA.......Professionally No choices!
Exactly Alain.
The problem is this.
As dog people, we are all keenly interested in these new rules.
From an officer perspective, it is small potatoes. Directives from every branch of government come constantly. Prioritizing is the name of the game.
If people want consistency and the letter of the law applied, it means hoping for no lucky breaks.
Just because somebody caught a break doesn't mean that others should feel entitled to it.
Now here is an issue that Cdn breeders should consider before sending their females south for whelping.
If you have a Cdn female whelp over in a neighbouring state, will you be required to pay tax on them when you bring any pups back home that have been sold to Canadian buyers?
I think you might.
 
Exactly Alain.
The problem is this.
As dog people, we are all keenly interested in these new rules.
From an officer perspective, it is small potatoes. Directives from every branch of government come constantly. Prioritizing is the name of the game.
If people want consistency and the letter of the law applied, it means hoping for no lucky breaks.
Just because somebody caught a break doesn't mean that others should feel entitled to it.
Now here is an issue that Cdn breeders should consider before sending their females south for whelping.
If you have a Cdn female whelp over in a neighbouring state, will you be required to pay tax on them when you bring any pups back home that have been sold to Canadian buyers?
I think you might.
Scott I think you would be correct on paying tax........
 
Hi guys,

I have been following this thread since we found out about the “new” CDC regulation and it has given me some good info especially early on, so I thought I should share our experience with you, even though it’s not for a retriever :).

We live in Erie, PA and have been in contact for about 8-12 months with a Canadian breeder about purchasing boxer puppy. We were in on a couple litters but for various reasons, some on our part and some on the breeder’s (really the sire and dam lol) we never ended up with a litter with “our” puppy in it. Shame is all that was before the new CDC debacle. But now we do have a puppy that is due to come home in October. We plan to drive and pick the puppy up ourselves and cross the border near Niagara Falls. Long story short we are currently “conditionally approved” for a confinement agreement. Here is how our process went:

I started by sending an email asking how one can apply for a confinement agreement and basically got a robotic response from the CDC copying and pasting what is on their website. I kept replying and got the same response a few times. It was very frustrating because I couldn’t have a conversation with them because they answer as if robots copying and pasting what is listed online. Finally they asked if I could describe how many dogs, when, and similar items. I did and their response was that we can wait until it is 4 months old. I asked them to justify this as I felt and the breeder felt we could not. After that we finally got an official denial letter from them. On the letter there were 4 check boxes for reasons to deny. For us, they checked that the prevalence of rabies from the country of origin poses a risk. WHAT A JOKE! Prevalence of rabies from Canada?!?! Also on the letter, it states that you can appeal in writing. And that is what we did.

I typed up a letter stating various things that I felt disprove their reasons for denying us. I stated that being neighboring countries, wild animals cross the border freely every day so there is no increase in rabies risk there. I also sent a map from the World Health Organization showing Canada and USA having equal rabies prevalence. I also quoted a segment of their docket they release where it stated that confinement agreements are intended to give owners an option to cross the border with their personal pets who aren’t vaccinated for rabies, which is exactly what we intended to do so I told them by denying us that was a direct contradiction of their own docket.

About a week later I got an email with another letter from the CDC which conditionally approved us for a confinement agreement but there was still work to be done. They needed us to send them proof that we were purchasing and would be the owners, i.e. our cleared deposit check and contract. They also want to know where and when we will be crossing the border. The letter says if we provide that they will send us another letter that we will need to bring with us and that will state our approval to sign a confinement agreement at the time we cross the border.

I will keep you guys updated and let you know how the rest of the process goes.

After receiving approval I am thinking of trying to just cross and see if they say anything about the puppy then if they do, go through all the confinement stuff.
 
Alain, the question is complicated. To say the least!
I can't speak officially. I discussed it with my fellow officers.
We feel that the puppies are not puppies until they are born. (POTUS?) :eek:
If that is the case, then they would have to have tax paid on them.
One consideration is, would the Cdn Kennel Club consider them foreign origin, if they were conceived in Canada but born abroad?
I haven't looked up the answers, but it should be easy to find.
I don't want to speculate and offer false hope.
You should assume that you will have to pay tax on them, and likely have to use the commercial importation procedures, and Agriculture Canada rules, to bring any of your pups back to Canada.
A very unique situation, but you might find similar application, with other animal industries.
 
Both the AKC and CKC consider the location of the whelp as the origin. For many years, Toller breeders would travel to Canada and whelp in a motel room in order that the puppies be CKC registered. This practice came to an end when the US Toller club signed a contract with the CKC which effectively made the Toller club the national registry for the Toller in the US .... the AKC for the Toller. We then were able to whelp in the US and the US registration became the source document for foreign registrations. Since the CKC recognized the US Toller club registration, this caused the FCI (Europe) to recognize it and the Toller in the US became a "legitimate" breed.
 
HI,

I did email the CKC asking what are there position about this new CDC rules?
Has a CKC members for many years now, i expect my organisation to know what are there action plan.

Here is what i got today!


Dear Alain,

Thank you for contacting The Canadian Kennel Club.

We are engaging with the CDC to find a resolution for our members. You can find a letter that we have send to the CDC here: http://www.ckc.ca/en/News/2014/September/Update-CKC-Reaches-Out-to-CDC-around-Agreement-Gu

Trusting this information is helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact us at 1-855-364-7252 for more details.
 
HI,

I did email the CKC asking what are there position about this new CDC rules?
Has a CKC members for many years now, i expect my organisation to know what are there action plan.

Here is what i got today!


Dear Alain,

Thank you for contacting The Canadian Kennel Club.

We are engaging with the CDC to find a resolution for our members. You can find a letter that we have send to the CDC here: http://www.ckc.ca/en/News/2014/September/Update-CKC-Reaches-Out-to-CDC-around-Agreement-Gu

Trusting this information is helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact us at 1-855-364-7252 for more details.
Thanks for the info Alain........
 
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