Does everyone use sit as the command for stay and if so why? Why not use stay for stay?
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Does everyone use sit as the command for stay and if so why? Why not use stay for stay?
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Why have to say "sit stay" every time. Sit means sit till told to do otherwise. I do use a "stay" command for other situations where the dog isn't sitting...for example if I want her to stay on her bed in the living room I don't care if she's sitting so I tell her to "stay"....some might use "place" for that.
"Stay is just an extra, useless word that can only complicate things for the dog"
So how do you tell the dog that you want it to remain where it is if it is in a down or standing position?
When I want my dog to sit and stay then I use "sit", "SIT" and use stay at other times and this works well.
So how do you tell the dog that you want it to remain where it is if it is in a down or standing position?
When I want my dog to sit and stay then I use "sit", "SIT" and use stay at other times and this works well.
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For those of us who train for obedience, the dog is trained to follow the left leg. When I step forward, the dog is supposed to heel. If I just say "sit," the dog will sit by my side until I begin to move, then stick with me in heel. If I say "stay" and step away, the dog knows NOT to follow the leg in heel position.
I see a difference in the commands so I use both. I also use "wait" which is yet again a separate meaning.
Meredith
I see a difference in the commands so I use both. I also use "wait" which is yet again a separate meaning.
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Well then I would say Down... and expect the same thing that down means down until told otherwise - I use that command a lot. I have no need for a dog to0 stand still in one place - I don't have a pointer. Sit or down. Simple.
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If I want the dog to follow I start with the leg closest to the dog ..usually left ....and command heel....If I want the dog to stay I step with the right leg first....Steve S
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I do this as well.
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Are they both stay?
Or just variations on a theme to complicate things. I bet you don't have a protection dog either.
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I disagree. It's about context. For instance, in the field or at a trial, I use "Stay" in honoring or "no bird" situations in the field so the dog knows there's no way he is going to be released for what he is about to see or just saw. In this way, it is differentiated from just the "Sit" command.
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I believe the stay command was intended for people who thought they would get more control over their dog because they were using two commands rather than one.
Better yet the owner who says:
"Fido, Sit, Stay, be a good boy and stay right there. Don't move. Siiiiiit. Staaaaay. Good Stay...
Then the dog gets up and a whole new conversation erupts... LOL
Better yet the owner who says:
"Fido, Sit, Stay, be a good boy and stay right there. Don't move. Siiiiiit. Staaaaay. Good Stay...
Then the dog gets up and a whole new conversation erupts... LOL
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Taught correctly it can be used as a marker for stationary positions and ultimately help reinforce/extend duration. The problem is, not many people seem to know how to do that effectively. I use good in place of it personally, since most people like to say "Good boy" to their dog a lot anyway. Might as well put that to good use.
With a retriever it makes no sense since you're not going to blow a whistle then yell "Stay" at 400 yards. A single sit command is needed.
With a retriever it makes no sense since you're not going to blow a whistle then yell "Stay" at 400 yards. A single sit command is needed.
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SIT is good enough!!
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Sit Means SIT 100% of the time!! Why complicate it?
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works for me....Steve S
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No, everyone does not.
I use sit, because that's what I taught my dog and it works.
Don't sweat the small stuff. Teach the dog to remain in one place however you want to teach it.
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I've learned that SIT means STAY is preferable, so this is essentially where I am (trying to train to drop STAY), but I believe I've waited too late to start it (2 y/o YLM now). When do we know when it's appropriate to start dropping STAY (pretty much right when he's got the STAY concept down?-- if so, im a 1-1/2 yrs too late on that one and should I even bother at this point?), and other than just stopping saying it and nicking when he tries to budge after saying sit, what are some techniques to reinforce SIT means STAY?
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