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It’s all about the journey, not the destination.

I always wanted a dog. When I was five, I had Rin Tin Tin on my birthday cake. When my family went traveling, I collected ceramic dogs as souvenirs. My dad was afraid of dogs (something I didn’t learn until much later), so it wasn’t until I left home that I had dogs of my own.

I went to law school at Berkeley in the early 1980s. On weekends, I would like my 280Z at high rates of speed listening to the sound track of Vision Quest (early Madonna, Journey) at levels too loud to be good for my hearing. On day, as I was cruising through Modesto, California I saw a bunch of funny looking trucks and people in white coats. I pulled over. “What are you doing?” I said. “Running a field trial,” came the reply. “What’s that?” I said. “Come and see.” So, I spent an hour watching an Open water blind (which was - as I recall - a simple channel blind).

I asked “how do I learn more about this?” It was suggested that I read: a) Training Your Retriever by James Lamb Free and b) The Working Retrievers by Thomas Quinn. I did. But it was all hypothetical. The apartment I was in didn’t allow pets.

One day, I heard broken glass from the apartment next door, looked through my window and saw two legs dangling from the window next door. I opened my door and yelled “I have a gun and I’m calling the cops now.” Pretty soon, I see a guy running out the apartment down the stairs. Well, the person who lived in the apartment next door was the son of the man who owned the building. He called me over to his office and asked how he could thank me. I immediately replied “Let me have a dog.” He said “done.”

So I started looking for a lab. I didn’t know anything about field trials so I ended up buying a yellow show lab. Every morning I went onto campus with Murphy, worked on obedience, and threw stand alone marks. When I returned to Denver to start my career, I ran some fun trials. Murphy had never picked up a duck, but won several of the fun trials. People made fun of us, a chinese guy driving a 280Z with a big yellow dog coming out of the hatch.

Murphy died unexpectedly. I got another lab - this time out of a field trial breeding. I answered an ad in the Denver Post about some guys putting together a retriever club. I joined the Platte Valley Hunting Retriever Club (my HRC membership number was in the low 300's). A number of the guys pitched in for a lease, and I trained every day after work with the guys. We were young, Amish, and did a lot of running. I ran a couple of started and had the time of my life. Repeat - I had the time of my life. It wasn’t the ribbon. It was the pure joy of training my dog.

I decided my dog needed to be trained with the collar and placed my dog with Cherylon Loveland, beginning what was to become a relationship of almost 40 years. Chance did not have what it took and came home. I was starting my legal career and so got out of the dogs until 1998, when I got what became FC/AFC Freeridin Wowie Zowie. When I went to my first derby, there were people that made fun of the HRC sticker I had on my truck (I traded in my 280Z for a Chevy Short Bed). We finished, I got a green ribbon - and had the time of my life.

Zowie took me to the 2003 National Amateur. I was so nervous when I saw the sea of trucks parked at the first series and heard them announce me and Zowie. I would run a series and just hope that we would be called back. I was totally in the moment. Zowie and I were finalists that year. I was so green that I got in my truck to drive off when Lynn Dubose said “You can’t leave. They’re going to announce the finalists and winners.”

Around the time that Zowie finished the National, I finished an Open with his littermate, Ace (later FC/AFC Sky Hy Husker Power). I was ecstatic with my green ribbon. Anyone who says that the only person who is happy at the end of the trial is the winner wasn’t with me that day.

I have been happy when my dog sat on the mat and watched the birds without head swinging.
I have been pleased when my dog smoked the short retired (when it was having trouble with short birds), but had a big hunt on the long retired.
I have learned to take joy in the process of training a dog.

I’ve been doing this for almost forty years now. And I still love it. Because for me, it’s about the journey, not the destination.

That’s why I object to all the focus on titles or levels of achievement.
 
The journey is different for everyone and goals are different.

It should be enjoyable yet some of the most miserable people I have been around are professional dog trainers. I have watched owners sit by many times while their pro basically abuses their dog. It happens every day…..

Some might object to those who choose to pay a pro and say the journey is in doing all the training yourself.

Point being a title can be your objective and your focus and you can still enjoy the journey, even if you never accomplish that goal, but if you do it’s just icing on the cake.

I found I lost my love for hunting and training with my dogs when I became hyper focused on test/trials.

I am finding my way back to the love I have for just sitting next to a body of water with my dog and watching ducks cup up as the sun rises….thats what I truly love. I also enjoy the connection between me and a dog I’m training, watching the wheels in their head spin as they begin to figure out what you want from them.

While I will still chase titles with my next dog, I will most certainly try to enjoy it more next go around.
 
Thank you for that Ted. I haven’t shared in the amount of success you and your dogs have had, but my sentiments and love for this dog game is the same. I take pride in the little victories. This game is really hard. I try to enjoy the small moments regardless of the color ribbon.
I’ve always compared field trial success to MLB batting stats. You can be a career .300 hitter, failing 2/3’s of the time, and find yourself in the HOF in Cooperstown. You are going to fail more than you succeed. Hold on tight and enjoy the collective journey
 
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The journey is different for everyone and goals are different.

It should be enjoyable yet some of the most miserable people I have been around are professional dog trainers. I have watched owners sit by many times while their pro basically abuses their dog. It happens every day…..

Some might object to those who choose to pay a pro and say the journey is in doing all the training yourself.

Point being a title can be your objective and your focus and you can still enjoy the journey, even if you never accomplish that goal, but if you do it’s just icing on the cake.

I found I lost my love for hunting and training with my dogs when I became hyper focused on test/trials.

I am finding my way back to the love I have for just sitting next to a body of water with my dog and watching ducks cup up as the sun rises….thats what I truly love.
I could be wrong, but I sense that the objective is more significant to you than you admit.
Otherwise, why tell people that lower level titles are insignificant?
Otherwise, why bring up pro dog trainers and their clients? Other than to criticize them for their lack of involvement in the process?
It seems to me it's about comparisons.

I have seen a lot of people come and go in this sport.
The ones who seem the most content are those who are focused on their dog's progress and ignore the noise around them

If a person is working with their dog and enjoying it, I think that's a good thing.

Yes, I hope that each of my dogs grows up to be a FC/AFC and a National Finalist.

But, my aspirations have no impact on my training or day to day life. None.
 
I could be wrong, but I sense that the objective is more significant to you than you admit.
Otherwise, why tell people that lower level titles are insignificant?
Otherwise, why bring up pro dog trainers and their clients? Other than to criticize them for their lack of involvement in the process?
It seems to me it's about comparisons.

I have seen a lot of people come and go in this sport.
The ones who seem the most content are those who are focused on their dog's progress and ignore the noise around them

If a person is working with their dog and enjoying it, I think that's a good thing.

Yes, I hope that each of my dogs grows up to be a FC/AFC and a National Finalist.

But, my aspirations have no impact on my training or day to day life. None.
It was only to show that the journey can be different for everyone. You mentioned not putting emphasis on titles as it could take away from the journey. I am merely saying that the journey can be different for everyone such as those who use pros vs those who do not.

I have absolutely zero issues with those who choose to use a pro.

And yes, I was agreeing that I have been guilty of placing to much emphasis on the destination versus the journey. That is why I stated I was trying to find my way back to what got me into this is the first place and that is my experiences with my dog in the field and the moments we have together in training…
 
......just sitting next to a body of water with my dog and watching ducks cup up as the sun rises….thats what I truly love. ...
As do I.
That is the reason I stand in the rain tossing birds in July. Paying my November zen. Sadly many handlers never have experienced what we have. Even sadderly some judges never have either.
 
Ted:

You had me at "Vision Quest" and would have sealed it with "Gotcha" (two great movies) -- Just kidding.

I have been doing this since 1998. I have had six labs and the furthest I have gotten was an Amateur JAM (sure there have been minor stake wins and placements), but purest enjoyment of the sport has been all the friends I have made, places I have been, and most, importantly my dogs who have been loyal, loving, and given me everything they could. My closest friends and colleagues are due to these games and the activities surrounding them. That, to me, is worth more than a ribbon.
 
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And yes, I was agreeing that I have been guilty of placing to much emphasis on the destination versus the journey. That is why I stated I was trying to find my way back to what got me into this is the first place and that is my experiences with my dog in the field and the moments we have together in training…
The journey can be one of self awareness and growth. My dog Zowie (later FC/AFC Freeridin Wowie Zowie) made the derby list, became QAA, and had started placing in the Amateur stakes. I bought Zowie's littermate, Ace later FC/AFC Sky Hy Husker Power) from a former WWII fighter pilot from Nebraska who became too ill to run him. In early 2002, I needed only a point for either Ace or Zowie to go to the National Amateur and I had five or six trials to qualify. I wanted desperately to go with one of the boys. I pushed hard. I was not very kind to the dogs, to my wife or my training group. Of course, I didn't qualify.

While I gardened that June, I decided that if I couldn't control my ambition, I needed to quit Field Trials. I worked on focusing on the journey and not the destination. In the first two trials after the 2002 National Am, Zowie got a second and a win and immediately qualified for the 2003 National Am where he was a finalist. After the 2003 National Am, Ace got an Open 2nd, an Open win, an Amateur win, and we went to the 2003 National Open.

Since then, whenever I feel the old demons of impatience and ambition arise, I take a breath, mediate, and reflect on the Spring of 2002. It helps me keep things in perspective, reminds me of how much I love my dogs, and how much I appreciate our bond to one another
 
Good perspective. i compare my 50+ years in field trials to a sine wave reaching peaks with good dogs and valleys between. Lifers like me have to enjoy the journey because the ultimate destination comes and goes. Over the years I have known some who had 1 very good dog and then quit, obviously for those people the journey is much less important than the destination. Due to my wife’s health the last 8 years have limited my pursuit of the ultimate goal but not my passion for the journey. I have experienced less success than I had become accustomed to primarily because of travel restraints but I have enjoyed training more than ever and now I have two young talented dogs who make me get out of bed every morning.
 
Great post Ted.
I remember meeting you at that 2003 national.

Love your story, it makes me reflect on my own journey. Wish I had stumbled on a field trial way back When. I got my first lab when I was 15. I taught her some obedience and some stupid little tricks and that dog made me think I was a dog trainer. Totally fell in love with that dog. She was my best friend and companion. Sadly at only 10 months old she caught distemper and died, I was devastated. Didnt get another till I moved out on my own then I learned you could use them for hunting. Just wish I had known how to train a dog.
That first hunting dog was a nightmare to hunt with. He would break on every shot even if I missed and would not come back until there was a bird to retrieve. We would hunt Mormon Lake south of Flagstaff AZ every opener. There was little vegetation on the shore and nothing to tie my dog to but I wanted to keep him from breaking so I tied him around my waist. Well you can guess what happened there. My smart as brother would jump and unload his gun just to see that dog drag me to the ground. I Still loved that dog to death because he was my best friend and constant companion for 13 years.
Fast forward to 1998 I bought a new dog after going 10 years with no dog. I was determined to make that dog a good hunting dog. I heard about hunt test and went and watched a picnic test. I thought wow this is cool and I can do that so I started learning to train. I was hooked! I was 45 when I first began to really learn how to train a dog. 20 plus years later I am still learning.
Looking back I agree it is the journey that is important but deep down to me it is the relationship between me and my dogs that I value the most. The team work between us is what drives me not the placements or titles but those placements and titles give me a great sense of accomplishment. I was 50 years old before I learned about field trials and how to really train a dog.
I have had pretty good success over the last 20 years or so starting with HT titles. My progress has been slow. I had no one to teach me and completely self taught along with other handicaps like time, places to train and especially the knowledge to do so. My current 10 yr old did well in minor stakes and a few open jams. My current 6 yr old has an open win and placements. I am really excited about my new 2 yr old. She turned 2 on Jan 3rd. She has run 4 quals since then obtaining a 1st, 2nd and two 3rds.
Bottom line to me is my relationship with the dogs and what we can accomplish together so those ribbons and titles are important. Dont know what I would do without my dogs!
 
I bought my first lab in 1989 as soon as I graduated and got my first career job.
My passion is upland hunting first, and I have always marveled at the speed and endurance of working labs,
their independence in searching for wild bird scent, yet teamwork paying attention to the hunter's silent movement
and when necessary sitting on a dime with a face full of bird scent, their passion in jumping a river in below freezing conditions. Incredible animals to share life with.

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Great story Ted, made me think, and that's always the object of a good story. I had a rough year in 2022. My eight year old Shaq female died after winning an amateur, and the next year i obtained 5 Derby points on a yellow male i had high hopes for. He developed a bolting issue, probably because i was pushing to hard. One day he bolted for no reason i could see and ended up being picked up, i believe, by a hunter as it was opening weekend of dove season on a public wma where i train. someone left his training collar at the unmanned check station but not the dog. Lots of flyers and Internet posts with rewards but no luck in finding him. A friend gave me a dog to train and i have regained my love for the journey. This dog is a joy to be around, he's happy and i'm happy. I have finished 3 out of 4 Quals with him and i like training him. Thanks to my friend for giving him to me and regaining some of my joy for training.
Thanks for your post and letting me share this.
 
i, like many, set out for a hunting dog but got caught up in training them. After we took A 5 yr hiatus from competing I ended up getting further than I expected. My goals have always reflected the challenge of next ;level. I think it is a good outlook for a DiYer to have. One works harder because of it.I had the luxury of being a shift worker, I wish I could carry on. It has defined in parts, my life and that of my adult children.
 
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A friend gave me a dog to train and i have regained my love for the journey. This dog is a joy to be around, he's happy and i'm happy. I have finished 3 out of 4 Quals with him and i like training him. Thanks to my friend for giving him to me and regaining some of my joy for training.
Thanks for your post and letting me share this.
Brooks

I am sorry for your loss. It hurts to read of it.

I am delighted that you are back in the saddle and hope to see you down the road

Ted
 
What a great story of person and his dogs, Ted. My parents were both allergic to both cats and dogs, so neither until high school. My sister and I finally pestered them enough that we got one of each, but they were always outside animals. Within a year or two, my sisters boyfriend got me going out to state hunting areas in eastern Colorado and hunting both waterfowl and upland, but without dogs. We both remarked how much we'd love to have a dog, but never did get one. As my career took off, I traveled so much that it was not fair to a dog to have one. As a supervisor (my boss at the Smithsonian had a wonderful Doberman that I hung out with a lot) I could have brought a dog, but its so much easier to say "no dogs" than to say "no dogs but mine". Too many chances of catastrophe with employee dogs disappearing, chasing ranchers cows or sheep, digging up our target data without control, biting a fellow employee (I've seen much of this on other crews) so no dogs. When I moved to the SW, all of a sudden the work was close to home and I came home at night. Having never lost the need to have a dog, I bought a $75, 18 month old, backyard Golden Retriever and soon started a basic obedience class taught at San Juan College. He was the star of his class, so I took him to the advanced class and again he excelled. About this time I remembered I'd always longed for a dog to hunt with, and I hadn't hunted for almost 20 years with my sisters now ex boyfriend. One of my staff had a ranch on the San Juan River and gave me permission so I grabbed the dog and my shotgun and headed out. Taylor had no hunting training whatsoever, just a good foundation of obedience and some soon-to-be demonstrated desire to fetch birds. Amazingly, a few geese flew over and I shot one. Taylor looked at me and I said "go get it" so he jumped in the river, swam out, and got that goose (getting beat up pretty good in the process. I was already absolutely hooked on my dog, and now on hunting with my dog. From here, I introduced to dog shows and Jeanne vonBarby's mulipurpose Goldens (CH MH OTCH or UD) courtesy of the NM Golden Club and the Mile Hi Club. After a brief stint in conformation and obedience I learned of fieldwork via hunt tests with the Albuquerque Retriever Club and then field trials, observing my first trial at the no defunct Game and Fish club east of Alamosa. So I decided to try hunt tests, too.

So here comes the point of all this - I remember the learning curve I climbed to learn what even a Junior Hunt test required. It was so steep that I'll never forget how difficult it seemed, even with a solid obedience background. Looking back, all those simple behaviors that must be trained seem basic, but at that time seemed so difficult! Heel, sit, and come were easy, but fetch, mark, retrieve to hand, marking skills and factors.....All this time, though, I was reveling in the fact that I actually had a dog (well, by now, 3) after years of living vicariously through dogs I'd meet at friends houses or motel parking lots. The joy of spending time with my dogs, training, running aimlessly around BLM and Navajo lands, chasing first waterfowl and later upland birds I will never forget. And the first JH ribbon? I couldn't have been more proud. So I want to echo Ted's " I had the time of my life. " Now, with a MH or two in the past, one FC, one AA dog, one up and comer, Labradors and Goldens both, I run these field events for fun (and to maintain poverty). But if I ever quit the field events I will always, always have a dog. I even think that, when and if I get stuffed in a nursing home, I want a place that allows my dog to live with me.
 
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Good perspective. i compare my 50+ years in field trials to a sine wave reaching peaks with good dogs and valleys between. Lifers like me have to enjoy the journey because the ultimate destination comes and goes. Over the years I have known some who had 1 very good dog and then quit, obviously for those people the journey is much less important than the destination. Due to my wife’s health the last 8 years have limited my pursuit of the ultimate goal but not my passion for the journey. I have experienced less success than I had become accustomed to primarily because of travel restraints but I have enjoyed training more than ever and now I have two young talented dogs who make me get out of bed every morning.
My experience like yours resembles that sine wave with peaks and valleys.

There were years (long ago) when I had four field champions on my truck: FC/AFC Freeridin Wowie Zowie, FC/AFC Sky Hy Husker Power, FC/AFC Freeridin Vampire Slayer, and FC/AFC Freeridin Smooth Operator (two wizened veterans and two young up and comers) and went to the National Am with three dogs two years in a row. There was a long dry spell after I retired Mootsie (FC/AFC Freeridin Smooth Operator and from your fabulous FC/AFC Trumarc's Lean Cuisine). But, I kept at it because I liked being outdoors, being with the dogs, and training with Cherylon Loveland.

Then I happened on a talented yellow bitch who later became FC/AFC Freeridin Miss Kitty. Kitty won an Amateur two weeks after she turned two and I thought she was special but I thought her early AA win hurt her development (it would have been better for her to run some Q's and learn the game). Then Cherylon retired to deal with breast cancer, I changed trainers, and Kitty languished. I changed trainers again and made a real commitment to see if Kitty was as special as I thought she was or if I was delusional. in 2017, I spent two months in Texas working on obedience and water tuneup drills before and after we trained with the pro. Very little collar pressure, and alot of attrition.

I could see improvement, small but sequential, and Kitty's attitude was excellent. She loved being with me 24/7 and she loved working. That Spring, Kitty and I accumulated 18 AA points in 3 months (a peak), we went to the National Am with high hopes and were dropped after the first series (a valley). Then that summer, I discovered Kitty had no fluid in her discs and retired her at age 7 as she was entering the prime of her career (deep valley)

Then there were some very lean years as I looked for another dog. Last year, my AFC Freeridin RHD (Bosch) and I placed five weekends in a row. My young bitch Freeridin Excommunicado (Wick) who reminded me very much of Mootsie (Talented, smart, compliant) was really responding to the drill work we were doing (lots of land/water tuneup drills). Another high point. Then in July, I had my stroke (a very, very low point)

Being unable to train, reminds me of how much I love being outside, being outside, teaching the dogs and watching them learn.

Ed, I am jealous of the time you have with Che, Aimee, and your training group - but delighted at how it motivates you in the face of great loss.

Like you, I have watched a lot of people come in like a ball of fire, then suddenly disappear. They really never appreciated the journey, they simply wanted the acclaim.

I look forward to being able to train again (I hope this April). When I do, I'm going to enjoy working on obedience, wagon wheel, and tuneup drills - which I think really make you and the dog one. I'm going to enjoy having the dogs watch television with me in my rental home and having understand that they are part of my pack. And I'm going to enjoy training with Mark Smith

I'm going to smile when my dogs


  • Come quietly to the line with me
  • Sit on the mat, follow my weight shifts from gun to gun
  • Watch the birds to the ground
  • Dig a long flyer out of heavy cover
  • Check down on a nasty downwind short retired hen pheasant
  • Punch tight to the flyer on a big retired bird
  • Line through a tight keyhole
  • Go a long way on land to a skinny water entry

Or failing success on any of the above, give me a good, hard effort

Perhaps that's really the significant part of the journey - learning to appreciate when the dogs give you a good hard effort

For those of you who are training, revel in the journey. You won't appreciate what you have until it's gone
 
It’s all about the journey, not the destination.

I always wanted a dog. When I was five, I had Rin Tin Tin on my birthday cake. When my family went traveling, I collected ceramic dogs as souvenirs. My dad was afraid of dogs (something I didn’t learn until much later), so it wasn’t until I left home that I had dogs of my own.

I went to law school at Berkeley in the early 1980s. On weekends, I would like my 280Z at high rates of speed listening to the sound track of Vision Quest (early Madonna, Journey) at levels too loud to be good for my hearing. On day, as I was cruising through Modesto, California I saw a bunch of funny looking trucks and people in white coats. I pulled over. “What are you doing?” I said. “Running a field trial,” came the reply. “What’s that?” I said. “Come and see.” So, I spent an hour watching an Open water blind (which was - as I recall - a simple channel blind).

I asked “how do I learn more about this?” It was suggested that I read: a) Training Your Retriever by James Lamb Free and b) The Working Retrievers by Thomas Quinn. I did. But it was all hypothetical. The apartment I was in didn’t allow pets.

One day, I heard broken glass from the apartment next door, looked through my window and saw two legs dangling from the window next door. I opened my door and yelled “I have a gun and I’m calling the cops now.” Pretty soon, I see a guy running out the apartment down the stairs. Well, the person who lived in the apartment next door was the son of the man who owned the building. He called me over to his office and asked how he could thank me. I immediately replied “Let me have a dog.” He said “done.”

So I started looking for a lab. I didn’t know anything about field trials so I ended up buying a yellow show lab. Every morning I went onto campus with Murphy, worked on obedience, and threw stand alone marks. When I returned to Denver to start my career, I ran some fun trials. Murphy had never picked up a duck, but won several of the fun trials. People made fun of us, a chinese guy driving a 280Z with a big yellow dog coming out of the hatch.

Murphy died unexpectedly. I got another lab - this time out of a field trial breeding. I answered an ad in the Denver Post about some guys putting together a retriever club. I joined the Platte Valley Hunting Retriever Club (my HRC membership number was in the low 300's). A number of the guys pitched in for a lease, and I trained every day after work with the guys. We were young, Amish, and did a lot of running. I ran a couple of started and had the time of my life. Repeat - I had the time of my life. It wasn’t the ribbon. It was the pure joy of training my dog.

I decided my dog needed to be trained with the collar and placed my dog with Cherylon Loveland, beginning what was to become a relationship of almost 40 years. Chance did not have what it took and came home. I was starting my legal career and so got out of the dogs until 1998, when I got what became FC/AFC Freeridin Wowie Zowie. When I went to my first derby, there were people that made fun of the HRC sticker I had on my truck (I traded in my 280Z for a Chevy Short Bed). We finished, I got a green ribbon - and had the time of my life.

Zowie took me to the 2003 National Amateur. I was so nervous when I saw the sea of trucks parked at the first series and heard them announce me and Zowie. I would run a series and just hope that we would be called back. I was totally in the moment. Zowie and I were finalists that year. I was so green that I got in my truck to drive off when Lynn Dubose said “You can’t leave. They’re going to announce the finalists and winners.”

Around the time that Zowie finished the National, I finished an Open with his littermate, Ace (later FC/AFC Sky Hy Husker Power). I was ecstatic with my green ribbon. Anyone who says that the only person who is happy at the end of the trial is the winner wasn’t with me that day.

I have been happy when my dog sat on the mat and watched the birds without head swinging.
I have been pleased when my dog smoked the short retired (when it was having trouble with short birds), but had a big hunt on the long retired.
I have learned to take joy in the process of training a dog.

I’ve been doing this for almost forty years now. And I still love it. Because for me, it’s about the journey, not the destination.

That’s why I object to all the focus on titles or levels of achievement.
Ted, I'd have mashed the like button as bigly and boldly as I could if it were an option.

Your post is among the best I've ever read on this website.

Thanks for posting it. Thanks for making yourself vulnerable and sharing who you are and what you think for the retriever public to see.

Thanks Ted Shih for "pushing" me to get AA- apprenticed and apply my years of training/campaigning my own dogs in the chair.

Thanks Ted Shih for having me out to judge at Orchard Colorado - home of the rattlers, back in a time when I really needed to get my skinny butt (temporary condition now more than offset) out of Illinois and out of a messy fog.

Thanks Ted Shih for the many days and nights on the telephone talking dogs and life.

You have helped my personal journey be better and more enjoyable than it would have been without you.

That goes for many/most of you posting on this resource today.

Chris
 
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