[dorkweed]

To get them to "SEE" the dog run; vs., just looking at the dog run.

And, I'm asking this as a "training" question in regard to train new throwers.

Too often folks/throwers just toss the bird and think their job is done...................they walk back and are on their phone right away again. Probably because they think they're being "USED".

How do we teach "these folks" that they are the "trainer" essentially when then handler releases their dog for a mark.

I've tried in the past...................using small words, and demonstrations............................still no comprendo!!!!!

WTF??!!

Anyone???

My training group is suffering from lack of "seeing the dog".

 

[drunkenpoacher]

Too often folks/throwers just toss the bird and think their job is done...................they walk back and are on their phone right away again. Probably because they think they're being "USED".

Welcome to the world of Gen Z employees. Their phone is at the center of their life. Expect them to perform any task for more than a few minutes and they will feel used and or abused. No amount of compensation will change that.

Of course there are good, hard working Gen Z'ers too. They have great opportunities ahead.

 

[dorkweed]

Welcome to the world of Gen Z employees. Their phone is at the center of their life. Expect them to perform any task for more than a few minutes and they will feel used and or abused. No amount of compensation will change that.

Of course there are good, hard working Gen Z'ers too. They have great opportunities ahead.

Most of these are "baby boomers" in this group I'm describing......................getting after and yelling does no good............................BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THEY DONT "SEE THE DOG"!!!!!!

 

[drunkenpoacher]

Most of these are "baby boomers" in this group I'm describing......................getting after and yelling does no good............................BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THEY DONT "SEE THE DOG"!!!!!!

First decide if an individual is capable of and has an interest in learning. Then go out and sit with them for a dog or two and teach them what to do.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THEY DONT "SEE THE DOG"!!!!!!

Literally or figuratively?

 

[Tom Cheatham]

What exactly are you wanting them to see? Or do?

 

[Dave Kress]

Flipping your question kinda ; Newbies are new meaning they are inexperienced, excited and usually gonna gung ho.
then reality sets in as this gonna be tough

not many kids staring per wee football make it to college ball or the NFL. Same in our sport then it grabs you . Each of us decides if the price is worth it.
Just this week I had a conversation with someone whom is relatively new. They frustrated with the lack of success at the Ft level. Yet they are late most days, when not on line they re scrolling thru the phone.
I was shared with the flustration they feel.
my response was nothing was gonna change till they awake in the middle of the night and realize that something has to change. That change is mostly ourselves saying I have to do better.
it took me 15 years to ft title a dog and I know many that will say 20 + years. It takes a while to gather the knowledge and experience and every pup will not make the grade.
Newbies come and go and some stick. We were all Newbies at one time. Encourage if allowed ; coach if you can.

 

[APBT]

Maybe you should make a TikTok video about what you’re wanting

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

Being frustrated by the lack of bird boy help is almost as bad as frustration from bird boy help when you did not want it. Solution is always the same telephone off and away. Radio on and in hand. Instructions are simply do not do anything until asked to. Do only what is asked. It's the hardest easy job in retriever training.

 

[drunkenpoacher]

Radio on and in hand. Instructions are simply do not do anything until asked to. Do only what is asked.

That is pretty much standard in most training groups.
In well established/experienced groups, people learn and know when to help a dog without being told.

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

My training group is suffering from lack of "seeing the dog".

Is there a chance your group just doesn't like you?

 

[fishduck]

The solution is simple and at one time I utilized it a lot. Let the newbie run your dog and you sit in the field and throw. I know when my dog needs help and when it is appropriate to let the dog hunt for an extended period. The newbie gets an education on how to handle a dog.

As the dogs advance this becomes less feasible. Hard to expect a newbie to recognize a lack of effort and how to correct.

As you are setting up, take a few minutes to discuss what factors you see and how they will influence the dog. Especially talk about why you are placing birds and what you hope to teach. At the end, a few more minutes talking about what actually happened and how well the objectives were accomplished.

After a while they will be helping when needed and fully engaged in the process or they quit.

 

[Furball]

Walkie talkies and tell them to do nothing until you instruct them, then to only do what you instruct them, and right away. Beyond that, be very selective on who you put out in the field with a dog you feel will need assistance. And if the guns are that bad, sounds like a good day to run blinds.

 

[drunkenpoacher]

And if the guns are that bad, sounds like a good day to run blinds.

But be sure to "get after them" and try some yelling first.

 

[J. Marti]

I have used a signal system before but I am a novice so probably won't work for advanced trainers. Plus you have to send the bird boys a message about the signals so they will be on their phones...

 

[Dave Farrar]

But be sure to "get after them" and try some yelling first.

I always work harder when I'm getting yelled at by someone who’s not paying me a whole lot of money.

 

[Tobias]

Tell them, they are there to help people train their dogs. Just as those people are there to help train the 'newbie's' dog.

I think it is very disrespectful for people to be on their phones when in the field.

Might just make it a group rule. NO Cell phones in the field. Have radios handy and pay attention - be a team member. Or don't come.

 

[Tobias]

This is actually very good timing for a post, as I am putting on an intro to retriever training seminar in a couple of weeks.

Hope you can get it cleared up for your group.

 

[tigerfan]

Tell them, they are there to help people train their dogs. Just as those people are there to help train the 'newbie's' dog.

I think it is very disrespectful for people to be on their phones when in the field.

Might just make it a group rule. NO Cell phones in the field. Have radios handy and pay attention - be a team member. Or don't come.

Great advice......... assuming of course that you don't forget to bring radios😆


I'd also add that it's a good idea to make sure you pick up all your equipment like bumper boys and holding blinds after you're done training😃😉😉

 

[drunkenpoacher]

I'm still curious about this.

BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THEY DONT "SEE THE DOG"!!!!!!

Literally or figuratively?

 

[Tobias]

Great advice......... assuming of course that you don't forget to bring radios😆


I'd also add that it's a good idea to make sure you pick up all your equipment like bumper boys and holding blinds after you're done training😃😉😉

concure! hahaha! Especially holding blinds and launchers. Might have to bring a notepad in order to remember these things.... but would probably forget the notepad. Aging has it's merits, and it's flaws. LOL!