[Debbie]

Every clearance is going to be submitted to OFA-good news or heartbreak. It has nothing to do with his being bred (he may never be), but allowing the owner of his sire & dam to see what they are producing. (my emphasis - Debbie)

M

And maybe that is the answer. Hopefully, these tests will be done on young dogs before they get their titles and when the "hush hush" begins because of the stud fees and puppy prices involved -

Yes, it would be a heartbreak to have an affected or carrier pup, but if the owners of the sire and dam won't step forward then the puppy owners MUST and let the chips fall where they may.

If either or both of the parents' owners won't publish their dog's info, then we as the buying public are left to draw our own conclusions about which one is throwing "bad" - and, in time, the offender will be outted.

Debbie

 

[Mark Sehon]

I'll post my results as soon they arrive. FC-AFC.

 

[Lady Hunter]

I don't know how much money The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc. has in its coffers, but if it could arrange to subsidize the cost of posting good results to the OFA for all the Labradors that have had the DNA tests done I am sure more people would submit their dogs results. With a program like that, if the tests results aren't in OFA's data base, then one could assume that the dog has not had a test done or maybe it is a carrier/affected dog.

 

[helencalif]

I think most folks view OFA as a site to list "clearances"

Melanie, I agree with your OFA clearances part of your statement. People do go to the OFA website to check for clearances. When there is no clearance, you do have to wonder why not.

When there is a hip clearance, but not one for elbows, I am one of those who really wonders why nothing for elbows.

When a dog has to be put under to do hip x-rays, you might as well do their elbows, too, is my thinking. No clearance for elbows sort of indicates to me that the elbows did not pass. This is for recent times. I can understand why there are no elbow reports for dogs of yesteryear.

If I was considering using a stud dog or purchasing a puppy from a litter and there was no elbow clearance on OFA, I would be asking the owner point blank if the elbows had been x-rayed and did not pass. As a breeder or a buyer, I want to know.

Just my take on the usefulness of OFA's website and how important passing elbows are to me.

 

[windycanyon]

Looking forward to it!

Already cheating around on me, are you Booty????

 

[Bud Bass]

I don't really think it matters if they make it public or not. It will be up to the breeder to request a copy of the certification that they are clear if they want to breed to one or the other. Also up to the pup buyer to request proof that the pup is clear, both eic and cnm as well as other ailments. I'm looking for a stud dog now for my eic clear and cnm clear bitch. I have a short list, some very talented dogs, but many owners have not tested and it limits me right now, after the test is out for a while there will be no excuses. If anybody wants my list of clear stud dogs, I'll be happy to share. I do think pups with eic and cnm clear papers will bring a premium price if good breeding goes along with it. Bud

 

[JusticeDog]

Do many of you feel the same way about the White List as you do about OFA - if dogs aren't listed you assume they are carriers?

No. I don't. I don't assume anything.

 

[helencalif]

OK... Do many of you feel the same way about the CNM White List as you do about OFA - if dogs aren't listed you assume they are carriers?

1. If I knew a particular dog had been tested for CNM, but their name did not appear on the white list, I would assume they were either affected or a carrier.

2. If I knew there were CNM carriers in a given litter and one of the parents had been tested clear and was on the white list, I would assume the other parent was the CNM carrier.

Same with affected puppies. If one parent is on the white list as being clear, it has to be the other parent.

3. From this point forward, if a top (living) stud dog's ads do not list CNM clear and they are also not on the CNM white list, I will assume they are a carrier or affected.

Anyone who owns a top stud dog certainly can afford to get the test done.

 

[Bruce MacPherson]

I don't really think it matters if they make it public or not. It will be up to the breeder to request a copy of the certification that they are clear if they want to breed to one or the other. Also up to the pup buyer to request proof that the pup is clear, both eic and cnm as well as other ailments. I'm looking for a stud dog now for my eic clear and cnm clear bitch. I have a short list, some very talented dogs, but many owners have not tested and it limits me right now, after the test is out for a while there will be no excuses. If anybody wants my list of clear stud dogs, I'll be happy to share. I do think pups with eic and cnm clear papers will bring a premium price if good breeding goes along with it. Bud

The dogs with talent that are proven producers of talent will bring a premium price whether or not the owners choose to share or even test. Fact is people will roll the dice and pay top dollar for a chance to own a winner. Always nice to think we are changing the future of our dogs but human nature is just that.

 

[ramblinmaxx]

1. If I knew a particular dog had been tested for CNM, but their name did not appear on the white list, I would assume they were either affected or a carrier.

2. If I knew there were CNM carriers in a given litter and one of the parents had been tested clear and was on the white list, I would assume the other parent was the CNM carrier.

Same with affected puppies. If one parent is on the white list as being clear, it has to be the other parent.

3. From this point forward, if a top (living) stud dog's ads do not list CNM clear and they are also not on the CNM white list, I will assume they are a carrier or affected.

Anyone who owns a top stud dog certainly can afford to get the test done.

I'm confused by this part of your post "Same with affected puppies. If one parent is on the white list as being clear, it has to be the other parent. "
I thought the only way you got an affected pup was for both parents to be carriers. One clear parent means you should at worst only get carriers or clear.

Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

Marty

 

[okvet]

Same with affected puppies. If one parent is on the white list as being clear, it has to be the other parent.

impossible with CNM

 

[JusticeDog]

I'm confused by this part of your post "Same with affected puppies. If one parent is on the white list as being clear, it has to be the other parent. "
I thought the only way you got an affected pup was for both parents to be carriers. One clear parent means you should at worst only get carriers or clear.

Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

Marty

You are correct. One clear parent means you should at worse only get carriers or clearn. To have an affected puppy, both parents must be a carrier or affected, or a carrier and affected...

 

[Stylesl]

Will people post EIC results with OFA?

I did not request that when I had blood samples drawn last week. Both of my dogs are neutered and both had EIC episodes around 1-2 years of age. So, I had my vet X-ray their hips when they were being neutered. I never submitted the X-rays to OFA as the hips looked okay.

And this does concern me-IF both dog's results show that they are affected and IF the gene is recessive, my dogs haven't been added to a database that is public. Is that important? I will have to think on this.

Why didn't send to OFA? Quite frankly, it is another step and cost in the process. If I feel this way are there others? People who have affected dogs but don't plan to breed?

Anxiously awaiting the results-

L

 

[YardleyLabs]

Will people post EIC results with OFA?

I did not request that when I had blood samples drawn last week. Both of my dogs are neutered and both had EIC episodes around 1-2 years of age. So, I had my vet X-ray their hips when they were being neutered. I never submitted the X-rays to OFA as the hips looked okay.

And this does concern me-IF both dog's results show that they are affected and IF the gene is recessive, my dogs haven't been added to a database that is public. Is that important? I will have to think on this.

Why didn't send to OFA? Quite frankly, it is another step and cost in the process. If I feel this way are there others? People who have affected dogs but don't plan to breed?

Anxiously awaiting the results-

L

You don't need to submit your hip x-rays to submit EIC DNA results. However, you do need to do the formal test; you can't simply submit the research results. OFA will not charge to post the results of an affected dog but you will still have the testing cost.

 

[helencalif]

I'm confused by this part of your post "Same with affected puppies. If one parent is on the white list as being clear, it has to be the other parent. "
I thought the only way you got an affected pup was for both parents to be carriers. One clear parent means you should at worst only get carriers or clear.

Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

Marty

Marty,
You are right; I was wrong. I should have proofread my post before I sent it. As soon as I sent it, I kicked myself as I knew I was wrong about what I had just said about breeding an affected to a clear. Have learned a lesson about going over what I post more carefully.

 

[Cedarswamp]

Will people post EIC results with OFA?

I did not request that when I had blood samples drawn last week. Both of my dogs are neutered and both had EIC episodes around 1-2 years of age. So, I had my vet X-ray their hips when they were being neutered. I never submitted the X-rays to OFA as the hips looked okay.

And this does concern me-IF both dog's results show that they are affected and IF the gene is recessive, my dogs haven't been added to a database that is public. Is that important? I will have to think on this.

Why didn't send to OFA? Quite frankly, it is another step and cost in the process. If I feel this way are there others? People who have affected dogs but don't plan to breed?

Anxiously awaiting the results-

L

If you post your affected results everyone will be able to know that both of the parent's are at least carriers. If the owners of them do not have the test done or post it, we will never know and accidently do a carrier to carrier breeding. You can also enter it at www.huntinglabpedigree.com free of charge. I have a CNM carrier that is out of a clear stud. The dam had to be put down a couple of years ago, before we found out, so she was never tested. I would not want to produce a CNM puppy--a friend of mine had one for 6 years.

In a way I hope it isn't for either of yours, but then that leaves a big "what is it" question. I have had a dog that I suspect had EIC. The episode that I saw, he drug his back legs like a frog in water across the yard as fast as he could go, 20 minutes later was acting completely normal. He had to be put down for other reasons before I knew what EIC was, so we'll never know for sure. I hope to never have another one with EIC.

 

[Bud Bass]

in my search for a eic and cnm clear stud dog, i have asked several owners of very well known and prominant field trial dogs with high success about any history, testing, etc of both eic and cnm in their dogs. interestingly enough, a couple have told me their dog tested cnm and/or eic clear (eic in the preliminary test) most just say they are not aware of either in thiers dogs background or pups. people do not seem very fourthcoming. bud

 

[Granddaddy]

I believe the EIC testing agency has made a mistake in not also providing a white list. OFA is adding no value in this particular testing process & it will continue to discourage many from listing results on their dogs. I believe there is a mistaken thought that somehow OFA adds value & that development of a clear list would create additional work or liability. However, with a simple software programming modification, clear test results could be automatically listed publically as soon as the test results are added to their data base. Such a clear or "white" list would provide a great service to the breed(s), breeders & pup owners. Like several others have already indicated, the current procedure adds yet another step but one where no value is added, just expense.

I think many of us sincerely appreciate the CNM white list as we make decisions on pups or breeding considerations. It's a proven process. It's never a bad idea to follow a proven & successful process. AND IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO change course & provide a white list of EIC clear dogs. It's a good first step toward full disclosure & open registry.

 

[Bill Schuna]

I believe the EIC testing agency has made a mistake in not also providing a white list. OFA is adding no value in this particular testing process & it will continue to discourage many from listing results on their dogs. I believe there is a mistaken thought that somehow OFA adds value & that development of a clear list would create additional work or liability. However, with a simple software programming modification, clear test results could be automatically listed publically as soon as the test results are added to their data base. Such a clear or "white" list would provide a great service to the breed(s), breeders & pup owners. Like several others have already indicated, the current procedure adds yet another step but one where no value is added, just expense.

I think many of us sincerely appreciate the CNM white list as we make decisions on pups or breeding considerations. It's a proven process. It's never a bad idea to follow a proven & successful process. AND IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO change course & provide a white list of EIC clear dogs. It's a good first step toward full disclosure & open registry.

Having the results on the OFA website would make it easier for folks who are in the process of researching the parents of a litter they are interested in, or a stud they want to use for breeding. One-stop shopping so to speak....

 

[Cedarswamp]

I think it will be a while before people are putting the results on OFA. I have two of mine tested for CNM, one a carrier, one clear. I have two test packages on the way. I will still have two to test. I will be waiting to get the discounted rate and I will be including the one that is a carrier. If you submit 5 or more DNA results you get the reduced rate. I will do this with EIC as well--no matter what the results. If you search for dogs that have the CNM test listed, only 16 come up. I'm guessing that most aren't doing it because you can go to the white list to check. Personally, I like going to OFA for the "one stop shop".