[badbullgator]

Wrong again, you might need to stop posting until you know what you are posting about.

really so you have a dog that doesn't bleed or swell

and Kim your still on finding ways to cheat or avoid the rules. Is it really that important to you to run your dog at others expence?

 

[YardleyLabs]

I have never brought a female in heat onto the grounds of a trial. However, I did have a female in heat in my truck parked off the grounds while another of my dogs was running. In that case I was actually taking the female to be bred immediately following the trial. I did not allow her to air in any of the areas being used by other dogs at the trial and felt I was following both the letter and spirit of the rules when I parked her outside of the grounds.

I would love to have a female that was completely regular. I've never been that fortunate with any dog in training. I tissue test all of my females before leaving for a test or trial if I think there's any chance that one might be close.

However, if I were a pro with 16 dogs on my truck, I would expect that there would be a few times during the season when I would find a dog spotting on the morning of the second day of an event located several hours away from the kennel. Do we then expect the pro to scratch the whole truck? I suspect that most in this situation would simply be careful not to allow the female out of the truck unless they were off the grounds. Would you view this as unethical or a violation of the rules? What do you think should be done in this situation.

 

[1st retriever]

really so you have a dog that doesn't bleed or swell

I believe that is called a silent heat.

 

[badbullgator]

I believe that is called a silent heat.

Silent heat is not NO blood, just very unnoticable blood. News flash any eggs being released will result in some blood. Weather or not you will ever notice it or not may be questionable.
Follicles must rupture to release eggs period.
Ok good enough please bring your silent heat dogs to the test or trail

 

[Grant Wilson]

In the words of the great man that taught me to train pointers....."WIPE A LITTLE VICKS ON IT" HA HA j/k;-)

 

[badbullgator]

I have never brought a female in heat onto the grounds of a trial. However, I did have a female in heat in my truck parked off the grounds while another of my dogs was running. In that case I was actually taking the female to be bred immediately following the trial. I did not allow her to air in any of the areas being used by other dogs at the trial and felt I was following both the letter and spirit of the rules when I parked her outside of the grounds.

I would love to have a female that was completely regular. I've never been that fortunate with any dog in training. I tissue test all of my females before leaving for a test or trial if I think there's any chance that one might be close.

However, if I were a pro with 16 dogs on my truck, I would expect that there would be a few times during the season when I would find a dog spotting on the morning of the second day of an event located several hours away from the kennel. Do we then expect the pro to scratch the whole truck? I suspect that most in this situation would simply be careful not to allow the female out of the truck unless they were off the grounds. Would you view this as unethical or a violation of the rules? What do you think should be done in this situation.

See Jeff we do agree sometimes.
IF, and that is a big IF, the bitch on the truck comes in DURING the trial/test in the situation you describe it would still be a violation of the rules, but given great care and never having the dog off the truck on the grounds........ The big problem is as I said before it is easy to say "she just started".....

 

[Juli H]

Not relevent to trial or tests, but I had entered my two females in a weight pull and the rules did not allow a bitch in heat to compete. Two months prior to this weight pull one of my females had been in heat...after I weighed her in a lady walked up and complained to me that my dog was in heat because her mail was licking the scale surface and chattering his teeth. I told her no way was my dog in heat, and she was welcome to bring a marshall and check my dog.....

I have also noticed that about 2 months after one of my bitches has a heat cycle my male will become interested in them again...

I would have to believe that they are emitting some hormonal scents that are attractive to him, even though they are not in heat...

Juli

 

[badbullgator]

Not relevent to trial or tests, but I had entered my two females in a weight pull and the rules did not allow a bitch in heat to compete. Two months prior to this weight pull one of my females had been in heat...after I weighed her in a lady walked up and complained to me that my dog was in heat because her mail was licking the scale surface and chattering his teeth. I told her no way was my dog in heat, and she was welcome to bring a marshall and check my dog.....

I have also noticed that about 2 months after one of my bitches has a heat cycle my male will become interested in them again...

I would have to believe that they are emitting some hormonal scents that are attractive to him, even though they are not in heat...

Juli

Yeah that happens a lot, and that I have no problem with accepting, that some dogs are going crazy no matter what stage the female is in. That is a time where train don;t complain comes in.

 

[marshmonster]

I think it would be okay, if it's an English and Silver lab in question, but not any other dogs.....








in all seriousness....I have seen 'hunter's trials' completely ruined by in-heat dogs running.

I do believe that the owner knowingly ran said dogs in an effort to get a 2 dollar ribbon.

The Hunter's trials have a 'bitches in heat run last' rule

but I have seen guys bring their dog's to the gallery before their turn, and you can see the dogs in the field react instantly.

as for HRC tests....I have been to 6....and saw one bitch check. Can't believe it's not enforced more..I know my male would have been worthless had he run after an in season dog...he'd have been humping the ground in the holding blinds....

it's simple, the rules say they can't be there, you gotta comply.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Neuter the boys! Problem solved.




Cheers,

Kevin

Are you serious?

 

[windycanyon]

Should I have scratched my dog from an event on 2/27/09 because “some time in March” she will come in season?
She started her cycle on 3/2/09 exactly. I was paranoid so I was wiping and peeling open from 2/22/09 until blood was evident on 3/2/09. I don’t want to be the reason for someone else’s performance at a FT. I scratched from a FT on 4/3/09 because the dog was still acting so squirrelly from her heat cycle. I did not ask for a refund because she did not have any bloody discharge.
I wonder if I should ask for a refund from a trial I where I recently scratched my post “heat” dog?
I think post bleeding bitches are still smellin’ good long after the discharge has stopped and some bitches just smell good all the time.
What is the solution?

Chris, you are probably nicer than I would be as I go by more the strict bleeding guideline (unless there are some brain fragmentation issues remaining with the bitch!). I am sitting here w/ printed out agility trial entries, wondering when Mata who whelped in late Nov may come into season again. Typically my girls are 1-2 mos later than normal (she's a 7-8 mo cycler) after a litter... so will we be safe in mid June, I wonder? I can enter and get roughly half my $ back if she comes into season (another venue where bitches in season are excluded) with the proper paperwork in that case. I'll probably enter and if she's not in and out by then, will have her on Chlorophyll caps as I mentioned earlier. They seem to work quite well... Anyhow, that's my solution!

After a heat cycle, I doubt (since we all swim our dogs regularly) that she should still be throwing that much scent, but again, if in doubt, give her chlorophyll. You can find it at health food stores for ~$10 a bottle of 100. 1 a day seems to do the trick for mine.

I was told by a ski mom once that it also does wonders for "Frito Feet"--- stinky ski boots due to all the fries and junk the kids eat when on the slopes! Anne

PS, another reason for using bleeding as a reference is that some bitches will split their season... bleed a few days, then go totally out of heat for 3-8 weeks before coming "back" in and being fertile. If you counted strictly 3 wks from the onset of bleeding, you'd have a number of folks mad at you, no doubt!!!

 

[kimsmith]

Corey if someone brought a bitch to a test that was in heat then yes they are unethical. I would never do that because of 2 reason. First it's the rules most importantly, 2nd most of the time they couldn't find a pink elephant in an open field so why waste the time and money. It's funny that only the male dogs that run like crap are the ones affected, the other ones go on to win. Like Ted said he won a trial and he knew a bitch in heat had to be on the grounds. Sounds like we are splitting hairs of ethics, I wouldn't want to win that way but maybe I'm on the wrong side of the fence. You can't have it both ways, you can't feel sorry for the guy who has 16 dogs on his truck with no way of getting this expensive female taken care of and not feeling sorry for the guy who drove 300 miles just to find out his dog came into heat. At least this guy can take his only dog back home, but the guy with 16 dogs doesn't have a choice. I would have to say if I had a male that was so interested in a dog on a truck in heat that he wouldn't pick up ducks, I wouldn't want to run male dogs.

Like I said before male dogs pee on a spots that other male dogs pee, they love any smell a female dog puts off and if a female isn't in heat they will try anyway, just like us. Gets a man in trouble every day.......

 

[Scott Greenwood]

Pretty clear that is not breaking the rules, but is it the best judgment by the person witht hte truck? No leave the bitch at home.
One more time show me or tell me where I have ever complained at a test about this. I am only pointing out the rules. Are others going to complain? How should I know? My guess would be of course people complain about everything. It is kind of like a law we have here, if you have a tree on your property tha hangs over the house next door you are not responcible for any dammage it casues and the owner next door can cut that part of your tree that is over his property down. Now if that branch falls on his house you are not responcible for it, but should you do something about it?
And Scott, reading comprehension 101 (now posted for the third time)

As far as the pro parking on a public street off the grounds, fantastic, what a guy and someone who has good morals and is an ethical handler.

One would have to think that answered your question. I certainly would not think he was a guy with good moral and ethics if I were to complain about him now would I

Finally I get an answer out of you. He is not breaking the rules. Rules are Rules and ethics are ethics. They are different and always will be for every different person on here. By the way I can read. You just kept avoiding the answer by saying congratst to the guy. Now quit complaining he is not breaking rules so you are pissing up a tree.

 

[Pete]

Does anyone know what "In Season" means

Is it receptive or is it the sluffing of lasts months girlly stuff

I think a dog that just starts bleeding smells different than a dog thats "In Season". As a matter of fact I know they do.
My male stays as far away from my bitch as possible when she starts bleeding. Down right avoidance I tell ya.
So now what,,,,we have a dilema

We need a lawyer and a canine reproduction specialist to figure this one out.

By the way is there anyone here who thinks bitches do not come in season on saturdays or sundays and who here can see 1 drop of blood on a black matt or wipe a dogs vaginal area after she has cleaned herself all morning .
Yesterday was the first time a bitch of mine cycled at 6 months in about 25 years.
Its usually 8 to 18 months.

The only way to solve this dilema is to have a vet do round the clock bitch checks until the last dog runs on sunday. That means every hour every bitch gets a blood test. I would be fine with that if the clubs wanted to shell out the dough. I don't know if the dog would still be alive but anything to make sure everything is at perfection.



Pete

 

[windycanyon]

Does anyone know what "In Season" means

Is it receptive or is it the sluffing of lasts months girlly stuff

I think a dog that just starts bleeding smells different than a dog thats "In Season". As a matter of fact I know they do.
My male stays as far away from my bitch as possible when she starts bleeding. Down right avoidance I tell ya.
So now what,,,,we have a dilema

We need a lawyer and a canine reproduction specialist to figure this one out.

Pete

Ahh, but does he stay far away early on because he fears his face will be ripped off if he casts a wanting glance her way???:razz:

 

[badbullgator]

Finally I get an answer out of you. He is not breaking the rules. Rules are Rules and ethics are ethics. They are different and always will be for every different person on here. By the way I can read. You just kept avoiding the answer by saying congratst to the guy. Now quit complaining he is not breaking rules so you are pissing up a tree.

wow I only have to post it three times for you
Interesting that you think rules and ethics are different for each person

 

[JeffLusk]

It's good to see everyones got a job on this board.

Leave for work, hop on the blackberry 3 hours later and there are almost 60 new posts!!!!!! Where do I get an office job like you guys??

 

[badbullgator]

It's good to see everyones got a job on this board.

Leave for work, hop on the blackberry 3 hours later and there are almost 60 new posts!!!!!! Where do I get an office job like you guys??

shhhhhhhhhh....

 

[Scott Greenwood]

Are you kidding me. Maybe you are the one who needs it spelled out for ya. Rules, I believe are put in place to be followed. Ethics are percieved differently by everyone. It is blatantly simple that some peoples ethics are far from yours and mine. Like I said, not breaking rules, just doing what they have to. Now quit complaining.

 

[skoog]

As the owner/handler of the dog that started this thread here are the facts on my dog.

She has been with Bill Shrader, who is a vet, all winter. She has not been in season,
therefore is not coming out now.

I just got back from my vet. Her opinion is that the dog is not in season.

I made an appointment for 11:15 tomorrow to have her checked for vaginitis.

I have been in field trials for almost 40 years and have never cheated or done anything
unethical. I resent the implication in the original post.

Bob Lindgren