[Fire N Ice]

Sorry but I don't buy that. Even if tigger did make the cut, his rounds woulda been over before most Americans are even awake. Victims of the hype is what people who watch golf have become. We have been forced to listen to all this tigger nonsense for far too long. He's not the greatest golfer ever, and it's pathetic that I've heard it for this long. For that matter, he's not the best in the world in any measurable category. Driving, ball striking, short game, and putting.

You are absolutely ignorant of the facts! By the way what does Nat AM pickem champ mean? Is it some sort of title of significance?

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Sharon van der Lee,

It's the toughest examination in golf. I've yet to hear any golfer say otherwise. Just look @ the scores for further proof.

As to what makes it harder, here goes. Insanely fast/angulated greens, extremely thick/penalizing rough, & narrow/fast fairways.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

You are absolutely ignorant of the facts! By the way what does Nat AM pickem champ mean? Is it some sort of title of significance?

Yawn. Go ahead and tell me said facts. I'm fairly certain you're about to homer up tigger, but have @ it boss.

I think my sig line is straight forward. I honestly don't know how to simplify it. There was a pickems on this year's National Amateur and I won.

 

[Fire N Ice]

It's the toughest examination in golf. I've yet to hear any golfer say otherwise. Just look @ the scores for further proof.

As to what makes it harder, here goes. Insanely fast/angulated greens, extremely thick/penalizing rough, & narrow/fast fairways.

First off I was making reference to your ingnorance to the fact that Tiger Woods is the best player in the world period. If you choose to believe as some that majors are the deciding factor Jack still reigns supreme. That will end in the future. Get your facts straight. The greens are very slow by major standards rolling a 10 on the stimp versus US greens @13 to 13.5. This course in particular does not have undulating greens at all. Yes fairways are narrow and rough heavily penalizes. Finally the entire professional golf community is unaminous both Mens and Womans tours that the US opens are the toughest in Golf. By the way Tiger has won the British four times. In his 13 years on tour this is only his sixth miss cut. Dumbfounding. Your defending back to back British Open champ Padraig Harrington has missed eight cuts THIS YEAR. If you don't like Woods fine, but don't spoo ignorance about his total dominance without checking the facts.

 

[Fire N Ice]

I think my sig line is straight forward. I honestly don't know how to simplify it. There was a pickems on this year's National Amateur and I won.[/QUOTE]


Are you kidding WOOOO!!!! LOL

 

[Bruce MacPherson]

It will always be The British Open to me.

Are you actually saying The British Open is tougher than The US Open? I'll give you the weather in comparison to the normal Masters, US Open, and PGA, but The US Open is bar none the toughest major.

Different game entirely . Us Open courses are tough but the are manufactured tough, Rough is grown, greens are rolled and holes are lengthened. Courses like St Andrews and Turnberry, classic links courses, are just tough naturally. Wind howling, uneven turf conditions, few level lies. Not that one is tougher than another they are just different tests.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

First off I was making reference to your ingnorance to the fact that Tiger Woods is the best player in the world period. If you choose to believe as some that majors are the deciding factor Jack still reigns supreme. That will end in the future. Get your facts straight. By the way Tiger has won the British four times. In his 13 years on tour this is only his sixth miss cut. Dumbfounding. Your defending back to back British Open champ Padraig Harrington has missed eight cuts THIS YEAR. If you don't like Woods fine, but don't spoo ignorance about his total dominance without checking the facts.

Wasn't replying to you.

tigger has won 3 British Opens, not 4. Twice @ St. Andrews and once @ Royal Liverpool. Now please get your facts straight.

99-02 was when he was dominate. He hasn't been dominate since. Once again, please get your facts straight.

 

[BonMallari]

Jacob there are a lot of subjects that I may not know about but golf isnt one of them. I have caddied on the PGA tour and asst mini events and one Tournament of Champions event at La Costa. I also used to carry a handicap index of 2.2,and have known Tiger and his late father since Tiger was ten yrs old, we grew up about 5 miles apart, he in Cypress, me in Buena Park. i have also been in and out of the golf business for the last ten years and also tutor golf pros in passing the Class A business school

that being said you are the one that doesnt quite have all the facts straight, Tiger has won more WGC events than anyone in the history of the events.(15 wins) I would like to know who you think the best player in the world is ? I am not a Tiger lover nor a hater but the facts speak for themselves as does his record. As for being old school the "Open" has always meant the British. the US Open has also been referred to as the National Open.

The only record that doesnt belong to Tiger is the career major record but with 14 in his pocket he seems to be an odds on favorite to win 18 maybe more. To say that he isnt as dominant as the yrs 99-02 is ludicrous, he won the 08 US Open on virtually one leg and has won three times since coming back from MAJOR knee surgery

maybe if you tempered your tone with a little humility, you might be able to have a more civil discussion and not appear to come across as a know it all,when in fact you do not...

 

[Colonel Blimp]

Turnberry is a weird place; no village or town at all just a links course in the middle of nowhere. Feels like a Macdonalds in the trackless Sahara.

There is however some tidy snipe shooting nearby, much more fun.;-)

I've always thought tigger is a miserable looking sod, like he's suffering from painful constipation. Didn't Tom Watson win his first Open at Turnberry? Best of luck to him.

Eug

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Different game entirely . Us Open courses are tough but the are manufactured tough, Rough is grown, greens are rolled and holes are lengthened. Courses like St Andrews and Turnberry, classic links courses, are just tough naturally. Wind howling, uneven turf conditions, few level lies. Not that one is tougher than another they are just different tests.

I agree they are different by design. The problem for links style courses is when the weather doesn't show up. Just like Thursday. Don't get me wrong, I love playing links golf. It's really a lot of fun to me. I love watching it. Carnoustie is super difficult when it blows. I still like the saying about Turnberry. When you can't see the rock, it's raining. When you can see the rock, it's about to rain.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Bon, I was right on about his dominance in majors from 99-02. He won 7 of the 16 majors in that time frame. He's won 6 in the 7 years since.

In that span he won 27 events which is the most ever in a 4 year career span.

I stand corrected on WGC events. He won 1 last year. He won 5 in the 4 year time frame I mentioned while winning 6 of the 9 from 05-07. I'd consider 07 recent in what I was using as a time frame earlier. Was going off mere recollection.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Turnberry is a weird place; no village or town at all just a links course in the middle of nowhere. Feels like a Macdonalds in the trackless Sahara.

There is however some tidy snipe shooting nearby, much more fun.;-)

I've always thought tigger is a miserable looking sod, like he's suffering from painful constipation. Didn't Tom Watson win his first Open at Turnberry? Best of luck to him.

Eug

I would love to play there. Nice analogy.

Yes sir. Tom Watson won his 1st British Open @ Turnberry in his 1st time @ the major.

 

[Wade Thurman]

This is pretty much spot on there Jacob when comparing US to British set ups.

The US Open is mfg to be tough in that the USGA lengthens the rough and shrinks the fairways. Then they don't water the greens for most , if not all, of the tourney. Take any US Open course BEFORE the USGA gets a hold of it and it would get squashed by the tour players. The same I don't believe could be said about a British course.
I've played Hazeltine and Torrey the same years that they held the Open but BEFORE the USGA started working their magic. I broke 80 on both courses. I dare say there is no way on this earth I break 100 the Monday after the Open is held.
To compare the 2 venues is comparing apples to oranges. One tourney is made up, while the other is not.

THANKS Bruce for a wonderful analogy of the 2 tourneys.

Different game entirely . Us Open courses are tough but the are manufactured tough, Rough is grown, greens are rolled and holes are lengthened. Courses like St Andrews and Turnberry, classic links courses, are just tough naturally. Wind howling, uneven turf conditions, few level lies. Not that one is tougher than another they are just different tests.

 

[BonMallari]

I played Torrey south and shot 77 the first time I played it, couldnt break 80 the day after the PGA tour was there and would not recognize it after the USGA got a hold of it. when the USGA comes in and takes over a course they can make your home course darn near unplayable, they did it to mine just for the US Open qualifier, it took our superintendent almost a week to return it to normal and friendly

 

[Wade Thurman]

BON, 100% in agreement!!!! The USGA can reak havoc on a normal playable course for the every day player.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

This is pretty much spot on there Jacob when comparing US to British set ups.

The US Open is mfg to be tough in that the USGA lengthens the rough and shrinks the fairways. Then they don't water the greens for most , if not all, of the tourney. Take any US Open course BEFORE the USGA gets a hold of it and it would get squashed by the tour players. The same I don't believe could be said about a British course.

I've played Hazeltine and Torrey the same years that they held the Open but BEFORE the USGA started working their magic. I broke 80 on both courses. I dare say there is no way on this earth I break 100 the Monday after the Open is held.To compare the 2 venues is comparing apples to oranges. One tourney is made up, while the other is not.

THANKS Bruce for a wonderful analogy of the 2 tourneys.

I agree. Other than Shinecock, Wingfoot, & Oakmont, the US Open is mostly PGA approved.

It is impossible to correctly express your thoughts on the Internet.

 

[mjh345]

Here is hoping Tommy has one more great day in him {and his putter]tommorrow

 

[Sharon van der Lee]

So, getting back to some of the original discussion, US Open - manufactured. Open - tough everyday. Which is tougher may be not able to discern. My guess is with the field not making any ground today is that Turnberry is holding its own.

On another note, Tiger's stock probably went down bigtime after his driver plant into the teebox. How arrogant is he, thinking that it is appropriate to destroy a part of a revered golf course due to a temper tantrum. If a "common" golfer dared to do that, he would be ordered off the course.

 

[Bruce MacPherson]

On another note, Tiger's stock probably went down bigtime after his driver plant into the teebox. How arrogant is he, thinking that it is appropriate to destroy a part of a revered golf course due to a temper tantrum. If a "common" golfer dared to do that, he would be ordered off the course.

I'm old enough to remember an older generation of tour players. More than a few that would voluntarily take a few clubs out of play during a round. Tiger just happens to have cameras on him more than most

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Wow. How good was that putt by Mathew Goggin?

Tom Watson & Stewart Cink in a 4 hole playoff.