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The reason I would need to win the lottery is so that I could quit my job and train during the day when my young son is in school. Since my trainer lives an hour away it is very difficult for me to work all day (until 6:00pm), pick up Gage from daycare, feed him, find ANOTHER babysitter (no way am I going to try to keep him entertained while trying to learn how to be a better owner/trainer) and then drive an hour to get in maybe 1 hours worth of instruction and then drive back only to be able to put Gage to bed. Repeat as necessary, which is daily until both my trainer and I feel that I am competent enough to run an O/H qual.
Plus, I have multiple dogs and none of them are going to train exactly the same so I would like to learn to tailor my training methods to suit their needs.
And yes, it would be nice to be able to compensate my trainer for his teaching skills with something other then the normal training fees he is getting, which I would be able to do with the lottery money as well.
 
No debates... They've read a book, bought a set of DVD's and got their buddies input and they're stuck...
Angie
Angie, your a psychic. I've learned there is a lot missing in the books and dvd's. I just started paying for hour lessons while I decide if I want to keep my dog there for a month. I should have done this a long time ago. I'm mainly looking for help with force fetch and cc. It's worth every penny! The retriever club is great, but it's not all that I thought it would be. I needed something more. When I work through some problems and I'm having more success I'll go back. I can tell the retriver club will be fun but you don't always get the best advice there. I don't mind spending 60 bucks an hour from a guy with a **** load of ribbons hanging on his wall. It's well worth it, plus I don't have to hear some amature regurgitate Lardy dvd's all day.
 
Clint who??? Yea,,, you say you are a nobody but I'd still like a real name to the post if you don't mind???

I know Chris well, saw him at every hunt test I was this spring... Nice guy....

I love teasing you Bon. You have such a doe eye'd attitude about this sport. If you spent time in this sport day and day out, especially around the Big personalities, the stars would soon be gone from your eyes.....

Angie
I never thought I would say it, but I agree with you on this one.
 
It's well worth it, plus I don't have to hear some amature regurgitate Lardy dvd's all day.
That describes me perfectly say 5 or 6 years ago...:cool:

Although in my case put newbie in place of amateur. In fact amateur would overstate my competence level today!
 
A few years ago a local HT/FT pro was kind enough to do a training seminar as a benfit to our club. I went to support the club and the pro.

I had a number of epiphanys that day. It helped to lay a foundation to which I refer to nearly every day of training. He later did a handeling seminar, which I missed, probably has cost me a few ribbons over the years.

My answer is yes go. Take in a seminar, throw birds ask questions watch and learn. See the type of setups they run, look at the factors that are incorporated in those set-ups. Watch how when and why they correct.

It is true that there is no substitute for handeling dogs. The more dogs you are exposed to the more issues you confront and correct. The better feel you will get. You will get better at reading terrain, wind and how they will influence dog behavior.
 
I would LOVE to throw birds and be trained by my trainer with my dogs. They would respect me more (maybe!) and hopefully I wouldn't screw them up so much at home. Now if I could just win the lottery so that I could quit my day job to make this a reality.....
I didn't mean that you have to train everyday. I also work a full time job in my own business and my pro lives an hour away. I try to spend one weekend day each week training with him. I also used to be part of an awsome amateur group of four other working guys in my area. where we would train 2-3 hours after work three days a week. That one weekend day a week with a pro adds up over the course of a few years, plus my wife and I take our vacation in the winter and train with our pro for two weeks down south in warmer weather when our dogs are on his truck.

I think you would also learn a lot in a weekend seminar, but nothing beats having a pro scold you, err I mean coach you over and over again as you make handler mistakes. It is also very helpful having a good pro make the distinction between lack of effort and simple mistake on the dog's part to you. After some time you become much better at reading your dog.

I guess my point was there are many avenues to becoming a better trainer, and the dedicated amateur will try to take advantage of all of them, including reading post on this forum

John
 
Go read Howard N's signature line....that was one piece of advice given to me that has sunk in. You can watch from the side lines all you want, but if you never put a hand over a dog what good does it do?

FOM
 
Bon,

Rex is no different then any other dog trainer these days. He trained dogs for his clients and they came out and learned. Day trainers came out and threw birds and ran their dogs in the rotation.

Rex wasn't or isn't special in that regard.
Wow...Angie, gal, this whole post of yours has me rather surprised. Talk about some blanket statements... First of all, Rex was very different from many other dog trainers, even in this first regard you mention. He had a special insight to both dogs and people that not every dog trainer these days has...simply put. To say they are all about the same would not be an accurate statement.

He did have a new progressive training program that was intriguing.... ;)
Intriguing? I do hope you were trying to be coy... Since virtually every dog trainer in the country today uses at least portions of his training program and methods.

From what I understand from friends who had dogs with Rex, that training with Rex was pretty rough. He was very hard on his clients mentally and was pretty abusive verbally. Especially if you were a woman. Who nowadays would put up with that? Nor should they. People pay a lot of money to get their dogs trained, they want to learn. Not pay to be condescended to or belittled...
Really a blanket statement now. By the way, I am a woman, last time I checked, and thus from that standpoint alone your statement is inaccurate.

Rex didn't get up every morning and decide before he ever went out the door to be "very hard on his clients mentally" and to be "pretty abusive verbally" at all. Some folks never saw where he was coming from when he took a hard line...others did. If you're interested, please read what Pat Burns had to say regarding Rex...in the book, when it's done...or, I'd be glad to send that passage to you at that time if you're interested. Just one immediate thought that comes to mind. Did he take a hard line all the time, daily, hourly? For crying out loud. No. With every client, every day? No.

However, I do remember lots of mornings when he instructed me to meet him at daybreak at CL-2 so that we could train a few dogs before everyone else got there...one on one. Really a mean, heartless, cruel, abusive man, to be sure. Not.

I know you have Lanse, Judy and Rex on a pedistal and that's all well and good. But they are a rather odd bunch in many respects....
Angie, I think that most of us in this dog game are rather odd in at least a few respects...and that includes you and me...

By the way, Rex spent and invested and poured all kinds of quality time into trainers that wanted to learn how to train. Which I believe was the subject of this thread.

Thanks for reading...hope you are doing well.
 
I would have loved to even just sit and watch Rex and would have enjoyed getting a butt chewing from him even more...:cool::D

Had some seriously tough and at times flat mean coaches in my day, men I will always respect and look up to for many reasons - regards,
 
What little bit I know about these hounds, I learned from a woman that I worked for. I truely respected her and still do. She could make me feel like a genuine idiot on a daily basis ( without saying a word) and I'm sure I needed it. I'm positive that made me sharper in the end. In hindsight, I should have been paying her, instead of her paying me. For anyone throwing birds for a pro to learn; try to work out a deal where at least occasionally, you can sit on a bucket and watch their yard program. I think for a novice, it doesn't do you any good to figure out how to handle an advanced dog, if you don't know how he got to that level to begin with.
Just my opinion.
 
When our pro is teaching clients, I have seen him yell equally intensely at both men and women, but the ones he cared the most about and the ones who really wanted to learn, got it the hardest. It seemed to me. Teaches one to "dig in" in the face of adversity.
Lynn
 
try to work out a deal where at least occasionally, you can sit on a bucket and watch their yard program. I think for a novice, it doesn't do you any good to figure out how to handle an advanced dog, if you don't know how he got to that level to begin with.
I hope everyone, especially the newbies to the sport, rereads the above. It is so true.
 
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