I'm possibly in the market for a pup, but if I do take the plunge I want to try and weed the possibility of winding up with a pup that whines. Can anyone shed some light on this, and maybe point me in the direction I need to go? If there are any dogs that had a rep of being noisy I would like to know as well. Thanks if anyone can help.
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I'm possibly in the market for a pup, but if I do take the plunge I want to try and weed the possibility of winding up with a pup that whines. Can anyone shed some light on this, and maybe point me in the direction I need to go? If there are any dogs that had a rep of being noisy I would like to know as well. Thanks if anyone can help.
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Noise....2 kinds...owner induced and genetically induced...pick your pup carefully and keep high standards...Randy
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I like 2talls suggestion. I want to be sure to stay away from any and all noise if possible. My current pup has decided he wants to give whining a try, and I can attest it is frustrating as hell. To avoid offending anyone, I will try and add a link to his pedigree. If there are any noisemakers in there that anyone cares to point out to me in a PM I would greatly appreciate it. I have an idea who some of the culprits may be. His pedigree can also be pulled by his name, twin rivers rowdy roddy piper. Thanks
http://huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=19634
http://huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=19634
Unless it is a repeat breeding you may never know for sure. The most important thing is to have high standards with the pup from the beginning. Be quick to address it before it becomes unmanageable.
I find those who are in a hurry to get the dog in a duck blind before providing the basics tend to have bad habits develope that can become very difficult to cure.
I find those who are in a hurry to get the dog in a duck blind before providing the basics tend to have bad habits develope that can become very difficult to cure.
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It's unlikely that folks will name names in open forum; there are commercial ramifications and friendship issues involved. You will I believe have to do your research away from the public side of the internet.
Whining and yippiping are in the opinion of most, partly genetic, partly environmental.So a particular bloodline might well have a predisposition to noise, but training style and exposure to other vocal dogs also have major parts to play. It's perfectly possible to take a dog from "quiet" lines and turn him into a yapper through an inappropriate training style or the company of other conversationalists.
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It's unlikely that folks will name names in open forum; there are commercial ramifications and friendship issues involved. You will I believe have to do your research away from the public side of the internet.
Whining and yippiping are in the opinion of most, partly genetic, partly environmental.So a particular bloodline might well have a predisposition to noise, but training style and exposure to other vocal dogs also have major parts to play. It's perfectly possible to take a dog from "quiet" lines and turn him into a yapper through an inappropriate training style or the company of other conversationalists.
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Although I have no proof I believe it is partially genetic for sure. I've fought my one dogs whining/noise since he was a pup. The pro that trained his father lived near by and I took my pup to see him. He came out and said that is one of ?'s pups for sure, listen to him, he even sounds like his dad. The mother was quiet. When I purchased my second pup after health questions, noise was the second question. I talked to multiple people who knew BOTH parents to confirm they were quiet, and the pup is quiet. Don't be afraid to ask the breeder about it and in my opinion make it a high priority.
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When I selected a sire for my recent Sexy breeding, I did so with noise as a possible inherited trait as a consideration. Both Boo & Sexy are from the Tiger (Esprit's Out of the Woods) line (Code Blue & Nikki, etc), with Boo produced by Ranger x Ruby & Sexy from Pow x Buns. None of these dogs are/were vocal. No scientific analysis but just my observations as these dogs trained & ran (& hunted in the case of my Sexy).
That said & while I do believe noise can be an inherited pre-disposition because of personality type, I also think noise can be encouraged by certain training drills & set-ups & then not handled properly by the handler/trainer.
That said & while I do believe noise can be an inherited pre-disposition because of personality type, I also think noise can be encouraged by certain training drills & set-ups & then not handled properly by the handler/trainer.
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I've seen it!
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Rowdy's hunting season is over, he is back to training only. I thought he was ready, but obviously not. The work is no problem for him, it is earning the work where he is struggling right now. Luckily no bad habits were allowed to continue, and he didn't get the first bird that he didn't behave perfectly for. Thanks for all of the replies.
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By the way, someone mentioned noise being learned from other noisy dogs. I have a couch potatoe that i will take training with me some and just let him run while I set up, and he is noisy as hell in the box. I'm talking screaming bloody murder. So this could rub off on another pup?
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yes.......as a learned response, esp if rewarded. Like dog makes lots of noise, then get the attention he wants, gets off the truck, out of the kennel, fed, etc. Your other dog sees the reward & starts to imitate.
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One of my friends has four dogs. They are all noisy and they are all from the same lines. I recently ran across someone who had a very noisy dog. A hunting partner who was with me asked me to find out what lines that dog was from. I asked and you know what? The same lines as the four. My conclusion is that there is a genetic component. I must add that during training, I have worked with these four dogs and successfully got them to be quiet. I feel that one might be able to get a handle on it to somewhat control it but I suspect with the genetic component you have to stay on top of it. My friend wants me to take one of his puppies. I have got to think about that one.
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