[Misty Marsh]

Don't get a Canadian going on US beer either!

 

[HarryWilliams]

This is a good beer. HPW

 

[Granddaddy]

Moderators.....I'm all for wrapping this up, sometimes it just gets people agitated. After all, Labs become champions no matter if they're British or American....it all depends on the training, and hopefully we can all learn from each other and respect our dogs and their feelings.

James
President - British Labrador Retriever Association (Canada)

So James, as president of the noted association, 1) what do you & your organization do to dispel the false claims of those who breed Labs of British heritiage? 2) What do you & your association do to encourage and enforce truth in advertising? 3) Exactly at what generation does a Lab born in North America become no longer a "British" Lab?

And if you don't do any of these things (which I suppose), I assume you & your association are part of the problems related to 1-3 above which cause the mainstream field Lab owner in north America to be skeptical at best about claims made by breeders of "British" Labs in north America.

 

[BonMallari]

This is a very good beer too

 

[Stan b]

There was time in these forums when folks confused the fat plodders called by the US Show fraternity "British" with all British dogs including the field strain.

I claim a modest part in demonstrating that the working British Lab is remarkably similar to his US counterpart. As per the pics at http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61507

A country which drinks Miller Lite in industrial quantities has nothing to tell civilised nations about beer.
Eug

Say WHAT????

RK

 

[Granddaddy]

This is a good beer. HPW

I agree & reasonably priced, at least in GA. My beer of choice these days.

 

[Bubba]

So James, as president of the noted association, 1) what do you & your organization do to dispel the false claims of those who breed Labs of British heritiage? 2) What do you & your association do to encourage and enforce truth in advertising? 3) Exactly at what generation does a Lab born in North America become no longer a "British" Lab?

And if you don't do any of these things (which I suppose), I assume you & your association are part of the problems related to 1-3 above which cause the mainstream field Lab owner in north America to be skeptical at best about claims made by breeders of "British" Labs in north America.

Actually prefer whiskey (more portable). Besides which- if it wasn't for the Miller beer drinking Americans- you would be drinking German beer.

Granddaddy asks an excellent question(s) and I would be very interested in the answer.

Finally Friday regards

Bubba

 

[tom]

For the OP, greatness comes in the form of an individual dog, nation of birth has little or nothing to do with it.

As for the beer -- solved that problem years ago -- quit drinkin' the stuff!

 

[Hunchaser]

How is her steady to wing and shot?

Just a few of your statements stand out. You talk about TRAINABILITY but it really sounds like you don't do much TRAINING with your dogs.

I could pick out several statements that have me coming to that conclusion, but I am sure your mind is all made up about the UK dogs so I won't bother.

Your whole post shows why most people are anti-British retrievers. Its not the dogs, it IS the people.

WRL

I wasnt going to respond as I see it as a waste of time. However, I will clarify a couple of things. I've been trained by pros and have been working dogs since 1991. I'm now retired and train hunting dogs and started dogs for pure enjoyment. I train to F/T quailfing level with lots of upland work.

In the warm weather I do mostly water training just like everyone else. Before I start to train I take the pack on a 2 mile run along the river. Then we start to train. At the end of the session we go for a long walk then at the end of thewalk I use a tennis ball and racquet and hit it into the water. The entire pack goes after the ball. I usually run 6 - 8 dogs. I had 2 goldens on my truck and 5 labs. On the short throws the Goldens were right on top of the ball and mostly beat the Labs. On the long throws the Goldens sledomed got the ball.

If nothing else a dog trainer is a keen observer of what is happening in the field. Why did the Labs beat the Goldens on the long throws?

My dogs have no fat on them and their mucscles are like rocks. So I ruled out fitness. These Goldens had a ton of desire so I ruled out desire. The only thing that I could come up with is the thickness/length of their coats.

If I'm wrong I'm open to suggestions and corrections.

 

[rmilner]

So James, as president of the noted association, 1) what do you & your organization do to dispel the false claims of those who breed Labs of British heritiage? 2) What do you & your association do to encourage and enforce truth in advertising? 3) Exactly at what generation does a Lab born in North America become no longer a "British" Lab?

And if you don't do any of these things (which I suppose), I assume you & your association are part of the problems related to 1-3 above which cause the mainstream field Lab owner in north America to be skeptical at best about claims made by breeders of "British" Labs in north America.

I am curious.

In the US:
There are approximately 1 million waterfowlers with retrievers
There are under 50,000 Hunt test participants
There are under 5,000 Field Trial participants

Which one constitutes "main stream field Lab owner?"

 

[tom]

I am curious.

In the US:
There are approximately 1 million waterfowlers with retrievers
There are under 50,000 Hunt test participants
There are under 5,000 Field Trial participants

Which one constitutes "main stream field Lab owner?"

In what way does the nationality of the dog change that?

 

[rmilner]

In what way does the nationality of the dog change that?

The nationality of dog has nothing to do with the question.


I am asking, "who are the 'mainstream field Lab owners' in the USA?"

 

[Jason Glavich]

The nationality of dog has nothing to do with the question.


I am asking, "who are the 'mainstream field Lab owners' in the USA?"

Anybody who owns a non brit lab who is told/led/marketed to believe that because their dog is not from across the pond they are inferior. That is kind of how it was phrased below.

And if you don't do any of these things (which I suppose), I assume you & your association are part of the problems related to 1-3 above which cause the mainstream field Lab owner in north America to be skeptical at best about claims made by breeders of "British" Labs in north America.

Thats how I read it anyway. That every brit lab breeder says these are the best gentlemens gun dogs...and so on.

But I am curious about the answers to this as well

1) what do you & your organization do to dispel the false claims of those who breed Labs of British heritiage? 2) What do you & your association do to encourage and enforce truth in advertising? 3) Exactly at what generation does a Lab born in North America become no longer a "British" Lab?

 

[Take'em]

Anybody who owns a non brit lab who is told/led/marketed to believe that because their dog is not from across the pond they are inferior. That is kind of how it was phrased below.



Thats how I read it anyway. That every brit lab breeder says these are the best gentlemens gun dogs...and so on.

But I am curious about the answers to this as well

This is nauseating.

 

[Jason Glavich]

This is nauseating.

Would you care to explain?

A question was asked I gave my thoughts on the answer.

 

[Take'em]

Would you care to explain?

A question was asked I gave my thoughts on the answer.

The whole debate is nauseating and as predictable as yesterday's news. Who cares? A good dog's a good dog. Maybe if some people had thicker skin they wouldn't find trivial comments so offensive. When I hear comments suggesting that British dogs are "fad" dogs, that the people that buy them have fallen for a marketing scheme...it makes me laugh. Water off a ducks back.

 

[Mike Tome]

You obviously don't understand the culture of this site...

Some topics go viral... this is one of them. Perfectly predictable. So, to prevent nausea, when you see a subject title like this don't click on it. Its a remedy that works wonders....

 

[Bubba]

The whole debate is nauseating and as predictable as yesterday's news. Who cares? A good dog's a good dog. Maybe if some people had thicker skin they wouldn't find trivial comments so offensive. When I hear comments suggesting that British dogs are "fad" dogs, that the people that buy them have fallen for a marketing scheme...it makes me laugh. Water off a ducks back.

Seems reall odd to me that if this whole thread is nauseating, predictable and your garden variety water off a duck kinda trivial that you would invest the time and energy to read it end to end and post up comments.

Make up yer dern mind regards

Bubba

 

[Jason Glavich]

The whole debate is nauseating and as predictable as yesterday's news. Who cares? A good dog's a good dog. Maybe if some people had thicker skin they wouldn't find trivial comments so offensive. When I hear comments suggesting that British dogs are "fad" dogs, that the people that buy them have fallen for a marketing scheme...it makes me laugh. Water off a ducks back.

Ah so you find the whole thread nauseating... why open it? You say thick skin but are feeling nauseated by reading it.

Guess we all typed at the same time.

 

[Take'em]

Seems reall odd to me that if this whole thread is nauseating, predictable and your garden variety water off a duck kinda trivial that you would invest the time and energy to read it end to end and post up comments.

Make up yer dern mind regards

Bubba

What else is a dog geek supposed to do when he doesn't really feel like working?