Getting back into training after hunting season and we have developed a big looping sit. Thought another thread was on the same track but the issue is a little different. How do you address this issue?
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Unless the point of the vid was to show us the looping sit issue.
I agree with Miriam on all points.
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I agree with Miriam on all points.
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Was playing with the camera and figuring out how to mess with the video. I set up a pile just 40 yards away, so there was no room to stop her. Transmitter was in my right pocket and the last 2 stops I nicked her. You can notice her sit quicker. That's when I told her good girl.
Miriam, I will keep your suggestions in mind this weekend when we run our set ups.
Miriam, I will keep your suggestions in mind this weekend when we run our set ups.
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Rick,
Thanks very much for the video. It really helps seeing the actual behavior. I have a question and a couple suggestions. What type of e-collar do you use? Dogtra?
Suggestions:
Thanks very much for the video. It really helps seeing the actual behavior. I have a question and a couple suggestions. What type of e-collar do you use? Dogtra?
Suggestions:
- Keep your heeling stick & transmitter in hand...all the time.
- Set up a double-T per Smartwork dimensions.
- Do at least 2 of every 3 stops at the 1st Apex (25 yards).
- Shoot more video and post it.
- Keep wearing the suit. It makes your training look more formal!
- Turn up your next nick, and make sure you get the prompt response you're after.
- Then back down at least two levels.
- Return & report.
The video would not play on my puter, however I take it from this that PocketLab was training in a suit.Rick,
Keep wearing the suit. It makes your training look more formal!
Evan
If that is true, then I've gotta believe great things are in store for you PocketLab.
Anyone who takes "Formal Training" that seriously can only have success.
Was the suit white?
I've gotta get this video to work!!
Good Luck
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I see a bunch of stuff no one mentioned
1. Proximity to the pile encourages her to keep going vs. sit, causing the issue
2. The dog got away with the loop several times in this video
1. Proximity to the pile encourages her to keep going vs. sit, causing the issue
2. The dog got away with the loop several times in this video
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For #1, Darrin, that's why I suggested a Double-T with both apexes, the first at 25 yards. For #2, he did mention he corrected on a later whistle-sit, and got a better stop. I just think his corrections may not be adequate to get the behavior change he's after. But your observations are correct.
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1. That's what I was trying to say when I said he stops her at the same spot every time. OP mentioned the distance of the pile doesn't allow for stopping any sooner, but he has plenty of room to work on and tighten up the sit. I also (gulp) am not sure why it's been suggested that he run a T or bb blinds. Wouldn't it simplify things for the dog to have a very clear known destination and having that allow the dog to focus on tightening up the sit w/out any additional factors?
2. I agree. Dog was stopped once and each time-after looping-was cast to the pile.
The other thing I might add (hesitantly) is that from the few workshops I've been to-the folks teaching them say that there are some dogs who have a tendency to get sloppy on certain things (loopy sits being one example) and that drills and tuneups will be a lifelong thing for them. It's why nobody- no matter how accomplished the dog or how accomplished the trainer ever stops training. It's a work in progress!!
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Rick,
Thanks very much for the video. It really helps seeing the actual behavior. I have a question and a couple suggestions. What type of e-collar do you use? Dogtra?
Suggestions:
Evan
- Keep your heeling stick & transmitter in hand...all the time. Tritronics G3. Transmitter was in my pocket along with my hands. It was cold... 39 degrees
- Set up a double-T per Smartwork dimensions. Ok
- Do at least 2 of every 3 stops at the 1st Apex (25 yards). Ok
- Shoot more video and post it. Ok
- Keep wearing the suit. It makes your training look more formal!
- Turn up your next nick, and make sure you get the prompt response you're after. Ok
- Then back down at least two levels. Ok
- Return & report. Yes Sir
I literally just ran in and through out a few bumpers. Wanted to mess with our new camera and figured showing the actual slow sit would be a good addition to the thread. We run regular length setups with marks and blinds. I know its short and I know I stopped her in the same place.
I appreciate all the input.
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Evan,
What about doing a brief session of mini T in the yard with platform at the apex, as a tune-up before the Double T session? Using the platform to show and force the location for immediate sit?
What about doing a brief session of mini T in the yard with platform at the apex, as a tune-up before the Double T session? Using the platform to show and force the location for immediate sit?
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Dick,
Thanks for the question. I'm not much of a fan of platforms. I don't oppose them. I just prefer more direct training techniques.
I do think Mini-T is often a good place to sharpen a whistle sit, and support it with the e-collar a bit. Then make logical progressions to something like BB Blinds in the field so the sharp response extends over distance.
Using platforms or place boards is an okay, but sort of 'gimmiky' approach. I often hear Rex's words echoing in my ears about things like this. "Just train the dog."
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I would put a rope on the dog on that same set up, and a collar on his ass if necessary, then start stopping the dog at random points in his travel...
That's just me though and there are a lot of things to consider along the way, like stopping the dog short too much and the possibility for no go's or popping that might result.
Evan's approach might not be a terrible solution because it:
Puts the dog back into a drill he recognizes (hopefully), since I would go back to that same yard to begin the clean up.
Leaves some distance so you don't create an issue with stopping up front.
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Size John. I would think you could have figured that based on the titles.
The reason to differentiate is you have better control closer to the dog
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Do I know? I don't Know!!! but in the current climate here on the forum, where wise ass responses such as yours are pervasive... I figured I'd get it cleared up for someone NEW that might be reluctant to ask a question
Now that you have stepped in and answered for Evan ....If that is all there is to it why don't we just say set up a short Tee ? Is it a short Single T or Dbl T?
Vernacular v nomenclature regards
john
I would say the Newbies are in good shape John now that they have you looking out for them to read their minds and ask in advance what questions they may have or possibly need answered
Here is a thought. Since you have channelled all the newbies thoughts and know what questions they want to pose, why don't you just shorten the process up and answer the channelled question for them.
It would speed up the process and eliminate any confusion; as anyone who has been around here for a while knows you are the only true holder of the truth.
Why don't you go ask Katie Minor some more questions about yellow labs genetics. Make sure she {redundetly}answers the question from every possible angle, as I'm sure she has nothing better to do than be at your beck and call
I'm outta here to train my dogs. So I will have to defer to your expertise on posting any more smart ass answers.
Have a good day John
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You might want want to re-read Ms Minor last sentence on her last post on that thread
" The answer is unknown ..... "
Read my signature line.....
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What's the difference between a mini pee pee and a double pee pee?
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