[Byron Musick]

For a minute I thought the response would be "Why Bless Your Heart"! But I think I like the one given even better!!

 

[GG]

my initial forcing set is about 25 feet. Forcing on water is 8 yards across to land
good luck
GG

 

[Dave Burton]

I start about 25 yrds and start moving back as they are about finished to get ready for T work.

 

[jeff evans]

While it may not be common, some dogs may require force up to your longest blind. I don't know if this helps but wanted to let you know that distance is really irrelevant, it's the dog. Merry Christmas!

 

[Guest]

While it may not be common, some dogs may require force up to your longest blind. I don't know if this helps but wanted to let you know that distance is really irrelevant, it's the dog. Merry Christmas!

Actually distance can be quite relevant when one is doing yardwork. The goal is to get a clear, concise message across to the dog along with an efficient response which doesn't usually require a lot of distance to do, just as it doesn't require a lot of distance for swim by, etc.

I don't understand the requiring force up to your longest blind comment. If that is needed, perhaps there was some skimping on work in the yard.

 

[Wayne Nutt]

I'm with you Melaine, I didn't understand the comment either.

 

[GG]

The original intent of FTP was as Melanie put it best, "to get a clear, concise message across to the dog". You start adding distance and there's more of a chance of confusing your dog. i know that I'm from the old school, but i feel this is what gets novice trainers into trouble, they take advice from people who do not know how to keep it simple. it's very possible for some trainers to get away with adding more advanced techniques with some dogs, but i doubt a novice trainer will be able to handle the side-effects generated by such tactics. When you begin forcing a dog his mind can go a bit crazy, so he should know exactly where the bumpers are and if he temporarily forgets, they should be in his face when he turns, this gives your dog the best chance to successfully complete the drill without side effects. Professionals create the side effects so they can wipe them out and hopefully take the dog to a higher discipline level---novice trainers should avoid them. As i see it, the reason books, video's and seminars given by professional trainers are confusing to most novice trainers is because they only know how to teach the higher level of training---including me. i constantly, unintentionally go over the head of my clients and readers, something that humbles me quite often.
GG

 

[Guest]

something that humbles me quite often.

OMG, don't say that or someone will you say you are known for drinking wine out of a box! Ask me how I know!

 

[Doug Moore]

Marie check your PM's.

 

[jeff evans]

The original intent of FTP was as Melanie put it best, "to get a clear, concise message across to the dog". You start adding distance and there's more of a chance of confusing your dog. i know that I'm from the old school, but i feel this is what gets novice trainers into trouble, they take advice from people who do not know how to keep it simple. it's very possible for some trainers to get away with adding more advanced techniques with some dogs, but i doubt a novice trainer will be able to handle the side-effects generated by such tactics. When you begin forcing a dog his mind can go a bit crazy, so he should know exactly where the bumpers are and if he temporarily forgets, they should be in his face when he turns, this gives your dog the best chance to successfully complete the drill without side effects. Professionals create the side effects so they can wipe them out and hopefully take the dog to a higher discipline level---novice trainers should avoid them. As i see it, the reason books, video's and seminars given by professional trainers are confusing to most novice trainers is because they only know how to teach the higher level of training---including me. i constantly, unintentionally go over the head of my clients and readers, something that humbles me quite often.
GG

Well said, I went back and read the OP, I miss read. I didn't realize it was a pup and in the yard. My point was force may be be used at varying distance ie, popping or freezing. This could be incorporated in a pattern field and after yard work. I would want the dog knowing where he was going if I was correcting this. Some dogs may decide they have gone far enough and pop, has nothing to do with a hole in the training it's just the dog and his confidence, conditions, or terrain.

 

[GG]

OMG, don't say that or someone will you say you are known for drinking wine out of a box! Ask me how I know!

__________________
Melanie: since i did a bunch of work with Golden's years ago, I'm going to assume you know something i really do not want too. However, i will reluctantly ask---HOW DO YOU KNOW?????????????

 

[jeff evans]

OMG, don't say that or someone will you say you are known for drinking wine out of a box! Ask me how I know!

__________________
Melanie: since i did a bunch of work with Golden's years ago, I'm going to assume you know something i really do not want too. However, i will reluctantly ask---HOW DO YOU KNOW?????????????

You have me on the edge of my seat waiting to hear as well

 

[mlopez]

Thanks to everyone for the advice! I have been keeping the distances short. I'm getting good drive, and no hesitation when I use the collar. He did well today even with 20mph winds. I think he's getting the idea.