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#41 ·
tom said:
Thanks for the compliment, but -- you can't ;-)
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All application my friend....this is a dawg gun, not big game. I routinely produce red mist at 600, a friend of mine has done it at 876 with this rifle, so yeah--I can........all application. The point I was trying to politely make was that many factors are involved in accuracy....stock only being one of dozens.

My reference in the above statement is that the rifle can only be capable of doing what a shooter is able to ask it to do. If you can't ask (can't find the target when mounting the rifle), you can't shoot. When hunting, time can be a major factor. If it takes all day to get your face aligned with whatever scope you choose to use, you will be passing on a lot of opportunities.
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Shayne's 300wsm has become my 'big game' personal favorite...short action, large selection of projectiles that will fly with a good selection of propellents, light weight capabilities.....topped with quality glass 6-20mm range....yep...*badass*

OK...entire forums are dedicated to this nonsense....back to FOM's topic.....the scope.
 
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#42 ·
If I were going to put high dollars in optics for low light spend it on binoculars. I like the high dollar euro glass for glassing and use the Leupold scopes for the rifle. I've got Swarovski, Zeiss, and Leupold scopes and have set them all up side by side on a bench at dusk looking at a deer decoy until dark. I could tell no difference in low light performance.

Bill
 
#43 ·
I shoot leoupold because thats what I can afford. I would go with a 4.5x14x44 b&c reticle. I have a 6.5x20x50 but its too much for most applications. Something to keep in mind is you will need high rings if you go with a 50mm lens. Great for light gathering at dawn/dusk or night time predators but there is a trade off. Most of the above scopes will suite your purpose. The high end ones are nice but you will honestly not need or take full advantage of their capeabilities. Kinda hard for me to justify the big buck prices for x days hunting each year. If you really want to drive tacks, other options will better suite ya. Bedding, trigger, stock, etc. The human factor is usually the limiter, not the gun.
 
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#44 ·
I run Leopold scopes on every rifle I own with the exception of my custom built 10/22. My uncle custom made gun stocks and frankly if it was me, I'd stick with a good quality scope, like the one you got, and focus on a customer gunstock designed and built around you. As I recall, don't get mad at me Ted, your're a bit on the short side. Also being a woman you have, well i'll leave that to gooser, that can affect fit. I'd find me a very good customer stock builder, go meet with him and have him get busy. I'd recommend either a nice piece of black walnut or something fancy like I got on my 270 and go with big leaf maple with black walnut accent on the foreend and pistol grip.

Ok gooser, you can once again mention the importance of "bedding her" right...

/Paul
 
#46 ·
Regarding the gun and the glass... I had a hard time finding a bullet that my Kimber liked. I shot at least $250 worth of ammo seasoning the barrel, mostly from a lead sled to save my shoulder. You could cover 2 shots with a quarter at 100yrds, then the 3rd shot would spray an inch or more.

Everyone told me that i'd have to reload to get the accuracy my rifle was truly capable of producing. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to reload.

Then i found Nosler custom ammunition at www.nosler.com They hand load each round for your gun... the box even comes with your name on it (kinda cool). It is actually cheaper than what I was paying at Cabelas after tax. Nosler is no tax and free shipping. Roughly $64 box for 180gr 300WSM. My gun does not like 150 or 165gr, although i would rather shoot 150gr for whitetail.

SM
 
#47 ·
Shayne Mehringer said:
Regarding the gun and the glass... I had a hard time finding a bullet that my Kimber liked. I shot at least $250 worth of ammo seasoning the barrel, mostly from a lead sled to save my shoulder. You could cover 2 shots with a quarter at 100yrds, then the 3rd shot would spray an inch or more.

Everyone told me that i'd have to reload to get the accuracy my rifle was truly capable of producing. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to reload.

Then i found Nosler custom ammunition at www.nosler.com They hand load each round for your gun... the box even comes with your name on it (kinda cool). It is actually cheaper than what I was paying at Cabelas after tax. Nosler is no tax and free shipping. Roughly $64 box for 180gr 300WSM. My gun does not like 150 or 165gr, although i would rather shoot 150gr for whitetail.

SM
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I reload my own, but always reload Nosler. Great bullet. Considerably cheaper than 64$ bucks a box to reload my own. I'll reload for you for but your name will be written in crayon.....

/Paul
 
#48 · (Edited)
Just stepping up to a VX-3 in the same scope will allow you better lowlight performace than your Vari-II. Off the top, I believe your light gathering would be 89% vs 95%. If I were to step up to a VX-3, I would opt for a Zeiss Conquest with Rapid-Z reticle. Also, I would opt for a 44mm over a 50mm so I would not have to use high rings, which affects your cheek weld. Once you figure out what you want, keep an eye out on samplelist.com or keep in touch with Doug from cameralandny.com. Doug has some SWEET deals once in a while and you need to be vigilant. As an example, in June I got a pair of A-quality demo/open box Zeiss Victory T* FL (LotuTec) 10x32 for $999 to my door.
 
#49 ·
dback said:
All application my friend....this is a dawg gun, not big game. I routinely produce red mist at 600, a friend of mine has done it at 876 with this rifle, so yeah--I can........all application. The point I was trying to politely make was that many factors are involved in accuracy....stock only being one of dozens.



Shayne's 300wsm has become my 'big game' personal favorite...short action, large selection of projectiles that will fly with a good selection of propellents, light weight capabilities.....topped with quality glass 6-20mm range....yep...*badass*

OK...entire forums are dedicated to this nonsense....back to FOM's topic.....the scope.
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Misunderstood me --- meant you can't have that (my) rifle.
 
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#50 ·
kjrice said:
Also, I would opt for a 44mm over a 50mm so I would not have to use high rings, which affects your cheek weld.
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Of course that's a personal decision, but you're talking about 3-5mm difference, for a whole bunch of added light gathering capability. If I ever shot at dusk or dawn (which I do) I would put the extra light over a miniscule cheek reposition, or have a smith put a cheek pad on the stock.

I agree with you on the Zeiss, especially for what the VX3 is going for. Its a fine scope, but its not the same glass quality.
 
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#52 ·
tom said:
Misunderstood me --- meant you can't have that (my) rifle.
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Geez........did I ever! My apologies.
I didn't figure any sane person would part with that one. Over the course of several years I'll get a 'wild hair' and want to build a wild cat on that action but never find one I can steal so I'll lose interest for awhile and then that 'itch' will start up again.
 
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#53 ·
MarkyMark said:
Ain't that the truth, custom rigs are like shooting dope. Your in the Mecca of BR shooting in AZ.
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And possibly more difficult to explain to wifey. :shock: For awhile she thought I had some 'thing' going with Ben Avery. ;-)

kjrice said:
Just stepping up to a VX-3 in the same scope will allow you better lowlight performace than your Vari-II. Off the top, I believe your light gathering would be 89% vs 95%. If I were to step up to a VX-3, I would opt for a Zeiss Conquest with Rapid-Z reticle. Also, I would opt for a 44mm over a 50mm so I would not have to use high rings, which affects your cheek weld. Once you figure out what you want, keep an eye out on samplelist.com or keep in touch with Doug from cameralandny.com. Doug has some SWEET deals once in a while and you need to be vigilant. As an example, in June I got a pair of A-quality demo/open box Zeiss Victory T* FL (LotuTec) 10x32 for $999 to my door.
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FOM......ignore this guy......my daughter-in-law can outshoot him :) Just kidding Kev
 
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Discussion starter · #54 ·
Okay if I have to use high ring mounts then that is a no-go for a 50mm scope, I already use the lowest I can use, plus I have a check pad to ensure proper sight alignment.

As far as a custom stock you must realize I'm so use to shooting a larger than what is probably normal for some one of my height, but I'm so use to it that i'd afraid to try and adjust that part of my shooting style. I'm a very capable rifle shooter, even though I've always had to adjust to the firearm.

I had a shotgun stock fitted once and it totally messed me up.

I'm thinking I might just leave my current setup alone, it has been very, very reliable - my freezer does not lack meat!

Thanks everyone.
 
#55 ·
FOM said:
As far as a custom stock you must realize I'm so use to shooting a larger than what is probably normal for some one of my height, but I'm so use to it that i'd afraid to try and adjust that part of my shooting style. I'm a very capable rifle shooter, even though I've always had to adjust to the firearm. ....
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No, I disagree here.
Lets take something as simple as walking for an example.
We all learn to walk, we all adapt to whatever shoes our
Dipstick parents force on our feet. When you got your
First pair of properly fitted, comfortable, athletic shoes.
Did you need to learn to walk again? Or was walking
Simply a more comfortable, natural, activity?
You have a very nice scope right now. Your stock is cracked.
You are a “custom size” shooter.
It seems like a simple choice, get a new stock, fitted just for you and have Gooser
Set you up with a pro-bed job.



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#58 ·
MarkyMark said:
DBack do you know Jerry Simison??
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Dang.....give me a break. I move to the last row when the shooters show up and I can barely remember all my grandkids names. I might recognize him, but, isn't he the Jerry that does some of the 6PPC stock weight systems? I know some about the stocks but probably wouldn't know him if he came up and smacked me in the nose. Those people are as crazy at spending money as FTers.......I collect aluminum cans on the Interstate just to make the next HT. :)
 
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#60 ·
MooseGooser said:
Sherrif,
With all due respect,
Tell that to Tom Horn.

Scope may tell you distance, adjust reticle for compensation ect,
But it doesnt allow for wind ,Mirage, trigger squeeze.

A lot of Human element invoved in being a good rifleman.


Gooser
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Agree 1000% You could top your rifle with a $3000 scope and it'll only perform as well as the guy pulling the trigger.
I shot a lot in my younger days and could take a $100 tasco on top of my .243 and shoot tha azz out of a fly at 300yrds. Practice makes perfect.
 
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