Anyone heard of Horizon Labradors in Canon GA? They are not truly a gundog breeder, just a "regular" lab breeder, but we decided to put a deposit on a litter a little while back, and so far (pups are 8 weeks now) only one other person is getting a pup from them... They do have multiple litters a year, have a website, OFA results and genetic testing on all their dogs, etc. It's a little concerning though when the pups aren't selling. Many many other places we've looked at the pups often sell before their born.
Anyone heard of Horizon Labradors in GA?
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What is their purpose for the requirement in the first place?
Correct, I would not take a puppy.
Because it's their product. When it goes out into the world and hopefully does good things, they want people to know that it came from their kennel. Does Ford put out a car and say "sure we'll leave the badge off, you can call it the John Smith instead of a Ford if you want!" ? I don't see the issue respecting their work personally. If you liked their work enough to buy it...?
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It is nice to use the kennel's name in the registration, in some way. It is respectful and courteous to do so.
Poor analogy. Ford or Chevy would be = to being the black lab or the yellow lab or the golden. The dealership from which you purchased would be = to the kennel name.
You enter your dog in an event (FT or HT) where you bought the dog, the breeders name is right there. If someone came up to me/you to say they really liked the looks of the dog or the dogs work you could tell them yeah I got the dog from Mary.
Ego's and Arrogance, that's all it is. IMHO
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ford or chevy is the breed --- model is the kennel name. I don't think it has anything to do with being arrogant, I like to give credit where credit is due. I did not produce the puppy, the kennel I bought it from did. If I could get a puppy of a breeding I really really liked, I'd let the breeder name it if they wanted or that was what it took to purchase the pup.
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Including the kennel name out of respect and courtesy is fine, I’ve done it and may do it again. If it’s a requirement, I’ll pass.
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When I buy a dog, I consider it my dog, period. I get to pick the name. I get to decide whether it gets bred. I don't care about the health guarantee. If the breeder has done their due diligence, I accept that they have done their best and there are no true guarantees in the genetic game of cards.
I don't get "mad" or "bent out of shape" if a breeder wants a kennel name. I just take a pass and look elsewhere. If the puppy contract is on the breeder's website and the contract requires a kennel name, I don't make any inquiries. If it's not clear whether the breeder wants a kennel name, I'll send an email or make a phone call and ask. If it's what they want, I don't try to talk them out of it or waste any more of their time. It's perfectly within their rights to require it and it perfectly within my rights to take a pass. There are plenty of puppy buyers out there that like their dog to have a kennel name, and I absolutely have no problem with that at all. Puppy buyers often want a dog with a prestigious kennel name and the breeders that want their kennel name spread around need to look for those buyers.
The kennel/stable name thing is largely specific to the subculture and tradition of the breed or activity. Racing thoroughbreds don't have stable names, but it's traditional in other horse cultures. Secretariat didn't run slower because he lacked a stable name. Numerous NARC and NRC winners and finalists have lacked kennel names and it hasn't held them back.
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Well that’s not very golden-ish at all😉
I don't understand how using a kennel name makes it less "yours"?
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Actually you can have a name almost as long as you want, but AKC charges extra past the 30 characters. I have done it on several dogs over the years to get the name I want.
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Well in the old days it was so when lounging in the gallery. A person could leaf through the catalog and see who's dogs came from who at a glance. And chit-chat about who's line is throwing what traits and abilities.
I've walked past a gallery carrying a crate of birds and seen it.
But seeing as we do not get catalogs to leaf through or slap your dog with (no visible training devices, oh thats just his catalog)
Any longer I guess it will be a thing of the past. The breeders I purchased my first few Chesapeakes from no longer ran dogs. And very much enjoyed seeing their name in catalogs I would give them.
But seeing as we don't get catalogs any longer folks will not do that either.
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Maybe no catalogs, but they will still let you walk by, carrying a crate of birds, without offering to help!
Lounging in the gallery has evolved to become the quintessential art form in all of the venues.
We asked the breeder if we could use their kennel name within the registered name of our latest pup. They seemed pleased that we did. -Paul
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There were catalogs at the last hunt test I attended. (late July) Maybe clubs have to pay more???
This is on EE home page
"While the eCatalogs offer significant cost savings to clubs and eliminate the need for event secretaries to mark and sign 3 to 4 paper catalogs, we've received feedback from several clubs that they still prefer the printed version. As a result, we are now offering both an eCatalog and a printed catalog option. See Pricing under Services on the left menu bar. "
This is on EE home page
"While the eCatalogs offer significant cost savings to clubs and eliminate the need for event secretaries to mark and sign 3 to 4 paper catalogs, we've received feedback from several clubs that they still prefer the printed version. As a result, we are now offering both an eCatalog and a printed catalog option. See Pricing under Services on the left menu bar. "
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We don't seem to have much of THAT around here.
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Yes, don't recall how much. I have been to events with and without catalogs. I believe at least one had catalogs made locally. I have not noticed anyone getting upset when there are no catalogs. Second thought, it is not likely that I would notice.
As a breeder, I try to make the best decisions possible for my breed. That is particularly important for my breed because it is so rare. The reasons I require my puppies to be registered with my kennel name are:
1. I microchip and register all my puppies with the AKC before they go to their new homes. In my breed, it is important that all puppies in a litter be registered so we can keep track of the number of pups registered per year and breeding trends. The puppies are microchipped and registered with my kennel name plus the buyer's name of choice. This way we have the puppy permanently identified in case of loss, accident, death, and for participation in health testing.
2. It is much easier for other breeders and observers to keep track of breedings, breeding performance, health issues cropping up from certain bloodlines, performance value from certain bloodlines, temperaments of certain bloodlines, and breeding activity of particular breeders if the breeders require using their kennel prefix to register every puppy they breed;
3. Puppy mills and extremely high volume breeders normally do not use kennel names/prefixes because they actually don't want people to find out how many dogs they breed and they do not stand behind their dogs. They want your money and never to hear from you again;
4. I try to breed the best I can and stand behind my dogs. I am proud of what I breed and require my kennel name on my pups' registrations as a further example of my commitment to that particular breeding and to putting my reputation and dedication to the breed on the line. If a person doesn't want a pup with my kennel prefix in its registered name, they apparently don't really believe in me as a breeder. If you don't believe in me as a breeder, don't buy a pup from me. Pretty simple.
5. Oh, BTW, if you have a dog registered with the kennel prefix of a very well-respected breeder, the dog is probably more highly valued by others (both by reputation and monetarily.) In certain breeds, just the kennel name alone will raise the stud fee or puppy price. Certain kennel names equal high value due to a long history of great temperaments, great puppy raising, trainability, performance, longevity, health, etc.
1. I microchip and register all my puppies with the AKC before they go to their new homes. In my breed, it is important that all puppies in a litter be registered so we can keep track of the number of pups registered per year and breeding trends. The puppies are microchipped and registered with my kennel name plus the buyer's name of choice. This way we have the puppy permanently identified in case of loss, accident, death, and for participation in health testing.
2. It is much easier for other breeders and observers to keep track of breedings, breeding performance, health issues cropping up from certain bloodlines, performance value from certain bloodlines, temperaments of certain bloodlines, and breeding activity of particular breeders if the breeders require using their kennel prefix to register every puppy they breed;
3. Puppy mills and extremely high volume breeders normally do not use kennel names/prefixes because they actually don't want people to find out how many dogs they breed and they do not stand behind their dogs. They want your money and never to hear from you again;
4. I try to breed the best I can and stand behind my dogs. I am proud of what I breed and require my kennel name on my pups' registrations as a further example of my commitment to that particular breeding and to putting my reputation and dedication to the breed on the line. If a person doesn't want a pup with my kennel prefix in its registered name, they apparently don't really believe in me as a breeder. If you don't believe in me as a breeder, don't buy a pup from me. Pretty simple.
5. Oh, BTW, if you have a dog registered with the kennel prefix of a very well-respected breeder, the dog is probably more highly valued by others (both by reputation and monetarily.) In certain breeds, just the kennel name alone will raise the stud fee or puppy price. Certain kennel names equal high value due to a long history of great temperaments, great puppy raising, trainability, performance, longevity, health, etc.
That was well put 👍
Someone above said a breeder wanting the buyer to use their kennel name was ego and arrogance, but I think it's more likely that it's ego/arrogance that makes someone refuse to use the kennel name.
Forcing them to use their kennel name in order for the Health Guarantee to be implemented.
Forcing and wanting are two entirely different things
From Marti above, "If a person doesn't want a pup with my kennel prefix in its registered name, they apparently don't really believe in me as a breeder. If you don't believe in me as a breeder, don't buy a pup from me".
If you/Marti believe in your breeding you should not force me to use your kennel name in order for the Health Guarantee to be in play.
Let's just call a spade a spade. The honest reason people want their kennel name used is they want their kennel name out there for all the world to see. With all the world to see means more people will possibly call us for their next puppy. Which in turn means kennel name attached to registered name means advertisements for our kennel, Period!!!!
Forcing and wanting are two entirely different things
From Marti above, "If a person doesn't want a pup with my kennel prefix in its registered name, they apparently don't really believe in me as a breeder. If you don't believe in me as a breeder, don't buy a pup from me".
If you/Marti believe in your breeding you should not force me to use your kennel name in order for the Health Guarantee to be in play.
Let's just call a spade a spade. The honest reason people want their kennel name used is they want their kennel name out there for all the world to see. With all the world to see means more people will possibly call us for their next puppy. Which in turn means kennel name attached to registered name means advertisements for our kennel, Period!!!!
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