hey guys thanks for the input. dog "USED: to play fetch. but got tired of it real quick i guess. so she hasnt really played or anything like that for a while. never really take her hunting. she has one heck of an eye when it comes to seeing the birds in the yard and sits and points. same with my male lab. i think im goign to try to make him a bird dog. he will play till he is dead. so maybe try to work with him. i wanted to use her because she minds so much better. he is a little skidish. but he has humting in his blood. my bitch was breed for show. so i think will work with him. never used the collar but been looking into getting some.think its time to invest