What breed(s)?

 

Would you be willing to settle for a Triple Champion?

http://www.ambertrail.com/pushstuddog.html

There have been several DC Chessies in the last 10 years.

With Labs the numbers are pretty difficult to get past. In order to get the required majors for a CH, there just have to be too many dogs entered.
Pretty tough to do with what judges expect to see in the show ring.

 

Would you be willing to settle for a Triple Champion?

http://www.ambertrail.com/pushstuddog.html

There have been several DC Chessies in the last 10 years.

With Labs the numbers are pretty difficult to get past. In order to get the required majors for a CH, there just have to be too many dogs entered.

Quite impressive!!!

 

Living: "Stanley" GRM FC AFC AFTCH OTCH John & Janice Gunn

Deceased: "Ezra" LM FC AFC OTCH Connie Cleveland & Judy Rassmuson

"Eli" GRM FC AFC OTCH Connie Cleveland & Judy Rassmuson

"Boomer" GRM FC AFC FTCH AFTCH OTCH John & Janice Gunn

may be more.

 

Dual Ch -AFC Royal Oaks Jill of Burgundy, National Finalist and Retriever Hall of Fame member, owned/handled by Lanse Brown

 

Triple Champion:
Can CH AFTCH OTCH Makaila's Telkwa Teit QFTR MH WCX CGN

More info about Teit here:
http://www.bcretrievernews.ca/notices-teit.htm

 

Awesome accomplishments by these dogs!

However: Technically, to use the Dual Champion designation (DC) a retriever must be a Field Trial Champion and Conformation Champion, reflecting the breed standard in function and form. Those are the two titles that count. AFC and OTCH do not count towards the official designation as a DC, and neither AKC nor CKC officially recognize a dog as TC as obedience is not considered a retriever's "breed purpose."

 

Correction TC is an official AKC title (CH-FC-OTCH), I don't believe it is in Canada however.

BTW, there have been over 500 DC titled Brittanys
http://www.brittanybreed.info/DualChampions/

 

Ahhh... learn something everyday. Impressive feats though, whatever you want to call it

 

I definitely favor performance over appearance but if you could have both, would you?

Not if "appearance" means what is typically shown in current bench shows. I don't find that look attractive at all.

 

Depends on the breed, I didn't find this dog hard to look at at all.
Gallery size usually tripled when Clipper was running
DC-AFC Coots Gypsy Clipper MH

 

Tom do you know Linda H.? If you do tell me more about Coots. Butch likes to put him on his web page but I know who really trained and ran Coots. Ms. Chessie.

Linda Harger owns trains and handles a dual champion who has qualified for Nationals several times. Yakity

 

Clipper was a very handsome and stylish dog. Saw him train a couple times and he appeared to be a very fun dog to work. Very talented and very accurate marker.

A picture of him with his grandson (my Cruiser)

T. Mac

 

Ya I know Linda, haven't seen her in a while tho'.
Tell ya what, she does know how to train her dogs!
Clipper was unlike many dogs in that he knew that he was "top dawg" and it showed.

Know who this is?

I've trained with Ralph and the "Honda killer" many times.
(he jumped off the top of a parking tares and absolutly distroyed the Honda he landed on)

 

Know who this is?

I've trained with Ralph and the "Honda killer" many times.
(he jumped off the top of a parking tares and absolutly distroyed the Honda he landed on)

Who is the "Honda Killer"? Woody?


T Mac, wish I would have been invlolved back when these Decks was running. I know I love my Decks Grandson and from what I hear of Decks he was amazing. As with Clipper and Widgeon and some of the other greats. By the way, do you have a dog named "Rocky"?

 

From what I understand, the OTCH in Canada is similar to a UD in the States. Maybe one of the Canadians on here can either verify that or correct me.

Glenda

 

That is correct. You get your UD up north and you've got yourself a Canadian OTCH. Also, a Canadian conformation championship only requires 10 points with no majors.

While I'm not going to downplay Push's accomplishments it is highly unlikely we will ever see another Golden or Labrador DC in the U.S. There is someone toying with the idea of another DC on a Golden in Canada but the field accomplishments need to come first...

 

Tom, tell us more about Clipper. Linda has told me some but would love to hear more and from other's perspective.

 

Tom tell me more also and more pictures. Please!!!

 

Form follows function, when you stop breeding for the field the blood line will divert from what is needed for the field. It is as simple as that.

Sorry, my bad. However, the Canadian major is only a win earning 2 points which is vastly different than a U.S. major which requires beating many more dogs to earn 3 to 5 points that are considered to be majors down here.

Just grabbed an old show catalog. It lists that a Lab b*tch would have to win over 27 b*tches for a 3 point major, and 63 b*tches for a 5 pointer in this region. (fewer for a male 18 & 43). Almost any time you have those kind of numbers in the classes, there is bound to be more than one that would be deserving of the win)

 

Form follows function, when you stop breeding for the field the blood line will dirvert from what is needed for the field. It is as simple as that.

Not to start "that" debate, but yes and no. Absolutely true some lines of labradors found in the show ring are not known for their stellar field ability, but the "field" (as in field trial) of today is not the field the breed was developed for...which MANY showbred dogs can and DO do very well. Both form AND "function" of this breed has changed

 

As far as Labs are concern posts 11, 20 & 25 echo my thoughts.

 

Of course Decks was no slouch either. Saw him run several nationals and he was an awesome dog!

A picture of Decks with my Star from around 1997.

T. Mac

 

In the Lab world I doubt will ever see another DC? And I'm not entirely sure I want to see one! As the only WAY it would even be POSSIBLE would be for a Bench dog to train up to a FC level. The field-FC performance dog will never be able to compete in Conformation as it is judged now, even if are very good looking dogs, and completely conform to standard. If the side of the breed, which primarily and consistency performs the underlying breed function has no chance for a DC, I don't see why I should root for the other side which is breeding for extreme over-exaggeration of physical characteristics, which often times hinder both working function, and overall fitness-health.

But I could be wrong maybe, I give the Labrador trainability too much credit and it's equally improbable for either Bench or Field to be competitive in both fields. ;-)

 

I think the goldens *could* see another DC, although it's a long shot.
In the breed ring, at least in this area (midwest) the trend is back toward the more moderate, athletic dogs without the long, drippy coats. The dogs you see winning are not "overdone" in terms of bone, head, or coat. Also there has been a real resurgence of interest among the "show breeders" to breed to CH dogs with multiple titles in various venues, and not just the basic titles, either. Dogs with a CH/OTCH, CH/MH, CH/UDX combination are in demand as stud dogs. It's really encouraging.
Another problem, of course, is finding the right home for the potential DC puppy, even if you could produce one.

 

I have a Deck Grandson who's great grandfather was Ruddy. "Larry" You can see him at the Chessie Specialty in MN. I never saw Ruddy run saw his son Blaze run and have seen Deck and Deck's offsprings. LB was my favorite. But keep your eyes open for a chessie named Chester and a chessie by the name of Spirit. Tell me more about the old ones.

 

From what I have been told Chester is one of a few who has the ability to be the next Chesapeake DC.

 

Thanks for that one, Melanie! Push is one awesome boy!
Diane

 

Did the owners of Push ever say why they never tried to compete in All Breed field trials in the US to get Push's titles here or go for his breed Championship here. Since they aren't that far across the border, I would have thought they would have pursued it.

The Gunns cross the border for both US field and obedience titles and there are other Canadians who do the same re field/obedience/ and show.

I seriously doubt we will ever see a U.S. Dual Champion Golden again. In addition to having an outstanding dog, you would need an owner who was motivated and could afford the time, effort and money to try to attain both an FC and a CH. The last one I know who tried was Terry Thornton with Sabre. Sabre went on to get his breed CH and multiple titles in other venues, including an MH title, but he never earned the FC he needed nor an AFC.

Glenda

 

Did the owners of Push ever say why they never tried to compete in All Breed field trials in the US to get Push's titles here or go for his breed Championship here. Since they aren't that far across the border, I would have thought they would have pursued it.

Unfortunately there were some family matters that prevented that from happening. Too bad because Push had an Amateur win from a National Specialty so he had a good start on points.

 

"From what I have been told Chester is one of a few who has the ability to be the next Chesapeake DC."

I'm a Chester Fan. Very impressive. Pull him out of the truck and he has just as good a chance to win an open as the next dog.

 

Melanie - Beautiful pictures of Push.

Congratulations to all who have been able to reach this incredible accomplishment.

And support to anyone who continues on the journey to reach for the stars.

 

I hope that someday we can see another Lab DC. I agree that it sounds next to impossible but hopefully the show ring will gravitate back to a look that is utilitarian as well as pretty. After all, this isn't some toy poodle, there's a reason they call them retrievers.

 

Does this sound like a Lab that could earn an FC?

"General Appearance
The Labrador Retriever is a strongly built, medium-sized, short-coupled, dog possessing a sound, athletic, well-balanced conformation that enables it to function as a retrieving gun dog; the substance and soundness to hunt waterfowl or upland game for long hours under difficult conditions; the character and quality to win in the show ring; and the temperament to be a family companion. Physical features and mental characteristics should denote a dog bred to perform as an efficient Retriever of game with a stable temperament suitable for a variety of pursuits beyond the hunting environment."

AKC breed standard 1994

 

What about the golden in Alaska, Trip (Talins Heart Act To Follow) -- what are his chances to earn FC? I thought he had open placements. He is a handsome dog at least from his pictures and with the AKC point scale so low in Alaska you'd think he could finish a CH. Just curious, I think he's our only hope. Unless Fisher lives to be 30. Haha

 

What about the golden in Alaska, Trip (Talins Heart Act To Follow) -- what are his chances to earn FC? I thought he had open placements. He is a handsome dog at least from his pictures and with the AKC point scale so low in Alaska you'd think he could finish a CH. Just curious, I think he's our only hope. Unless Fisher lives to be 30. Haha

I think it's doable. I don't know about the CH but Trip is a handsome dude. The FC will probably come. 'Course he's gotta beat me. He's done it before......... dammit.