[Karen Klotthor]

adding dogs will not help the armature getting in the test. I want to know that if a club still wants to do only 60 or 90 can they or do they have to do 66. Our last test we were planning on 90 dogs splitting to 2 flgts of 45 each to make it work well. Do due out hunt being the weekend the MN ended we only had 67 dogs signed up and at that time got special person after judges agreed to have only 1 flgt. . The judges did well with time management but it was in the fall and got dark a little earlier. C

 

[caryalsobrook]

It's doable. Time management will now be more important than ever. Bad weather during the first day could make it difficult. Those who are unwilling to judge to the standard or set up tests that take too long or are too easy will find it difficult to finish a full flight. -Paul

My opinion is that's too many dogs to put on a quality test.....factor in, FOG, Bad weather, sun in your eyes so lets not run for 15 mins, scenarios. Just sat down quickly jotted down what i think , I came up with 19 1/2 hours of actually running time!

Hi Cary,

The old saying "shoveling s*** against a tide" feels appropriate here!

These posts are scary to me. I wonder if the two of you can remember the first Master test you judged and given that experiece, would "doable" give you a warm and tingling feeling?

I don't think I have told Kyle that I ran my first AKC and Master test under him. I titled my first dog in Finished in back to back weekends, thinking that would be my lifetime goal. Bill Aurty had allowed me to train with him over the winter and I am so indebted to him for his help. So I signed up for a Master test the Monday before closing and watched my first Master test the next weekend and then ran the next weekend in East Tn.

Kyle could see that I had no clue as to the rules and what was really involved. But he kept me straight and because of him, I saved the program so that I could remember his name. I wonder is judges will be so kind and understanding, given the pressures that are put on them?

I am 76 now and ran my first Master test this year on the weekend of August 10. Guess Why.

 

[Final Flight Retrievers]

It’s no big deal
don’t make a mountain out of a molehill !!!! it’s only a couple of dogs !!!!!

 

[Kyle Bertram]

These posts are scary to me. I wonder if the two of you can remember the first Master test you judged and given that experiece, would "doable" give you a warm and tingling feeling?

I don't think I have told Kyle that I ran my first AKC and Master test under him. I titled my first dog in Finished in back to back weekends, thinking that would be my lifetime goal. Bill Aurty had allowed me to train with him over the winter and I am so indebted to him for his help. So I signed up for a Master test the Monday before closing and watched my first Master test the next weekend and then ran the next weekend in East Tn.

Kyle could see that I had no clue as to the rules and what was really involved. But he kept me straight and because of him, I saved the program so that I could remember his name. I wonder is judges will be so kind and understanding, given the pressures that are put on them?

I am 76 now and ran my first Master test this year on the weekend of August 10. Guess Why.

Cary, I remember that test well. I had a blast along with everyone else. I have fond memories of that weekend. I always try to have fun and make it fun for others.

 

[jacduck]

It’s no big deal
don’t make a mountain out of a molehill !!!! it’s only a couple of dogs !!!!!

I see no mountain being built, I am just wondering how others feel and keep hoping that only judges spout off except for my pal Don Smith. I had a way bigger thought process going and decided to scrap it to stay closer to the original topic which was how do you feel not judge someone else's thoughts.

 

[djansma]

No big deal just need more pages in my judges book,for the 3 day 100 dog master I will admit it is a load but just have to do your job

 

[jacduck]

Does anyone believe that increasing Master entries for a 60 dog entry to a 66 dog entry will have any visable effect of the problem??

Can you specify which problem you are referring to? Please.

 

[jacduck]

See how easy it is to stray from the question. I had tried to put this in a judges forum which I think would be helpful since there are some really good ones here that we all can learn from and appreciate.

My original question was
"I am on the upper end of the age spectrum and at the end of a 60 dog MHT it is a very long week-end for my body and brain. I am looking at the new numbers and wondering what punishment they will add. "

I was not interested in entry ease or time management since they are another subject.

To follow the next step in my question was unasked but leads to HOW MANY judges in my age range will drop out because of the extra strain? That is not my plan right now but this year will give me my personal answer.

 

[paul young]

These posts are scary to me. I wonder if the two of you can remember the first Master test you judged and given that experiece, would "doable" give you a warm and tingling feeling?

I don't think I have told Kyle that I ran my first AKC and Master test under him. I titled my first dog in Finished in back to back weekends, thinking that would be my lifetime goal. Bill Aurty had allowed me to train with him over the winter and I am so indebted to him for his help. So I signed up for a Master test the Monday before closing and watched my first Master test the next weekend and then ran the next weekend in East Tn.

Kyle could see that I had no clue as to the rules and what was really involved. But he kept me straight and because of him, I saved the program so that I could remember his name. I wonder is judges will be so kind and understanding, given the pressures that are put on them?

I am 76 now and ran my first Master test this year on the weekend of August 10. Guess Why.

What can I say? I'm a scary guy.....-Paul

 

[Good Dogs]

My original question was
"I am on the upper end of the age spectrum and at the end of a 60 dog MHT it is a very long week-end for my body and brain. I am looking at the new numbers and wondering what punishment they will add. "

Nah. I'm no spring chicken and yes I'm tired after a long day of watching the south end of a bunch of north running dogs. But it's a treat watching these fine animals do what they love. When we finished a 3 day HT early yesterday afternoon I actually was a bit sad that we did not have any more dogs to watch. The previous two days were "can't see to can't see" long, but my co-judge and the club folks made it all fun. Other than a couple of self obsessed loud mouth pros, it was a great weekend. Adding a few dogs would only make it more enjoyable. But, that's just me.

 

[caryalsobrook]

Can you specify which problem you are referring to? Please.

As far as judges, I think only they can answer. The truth is that it does add 10 percent more dogs which also adds work to the general help that is needed to run a test. As for me, I am retired and have all the time needed.

Does it solve the fundamental problem? Well if taking 1 minute and 6 seconds to fill a Master test when it did take one minute, is a solution? Then fine with me.

 

[caryalsobrook]

These posts are scary to me. I wonder if the two of you can remember the first Master test you judged and given that experiece, would "doable" give you a warm and tingling feeling?

I don't think I have told Kyle that I ran my first AKC and Master test under him. I titled my first dog in Finished in back to back weekends, thinking that would be my lifetime goal. Bill Aurty had allowed me to train with him over the winter and I am so indebted to him for his help. So I signed up for a Master test the Monday before closing and watched my first Master test the next weekend and then ran the next weekend in East Tn.

Kyle could see that I had no clue as to the rules and what was really involved. But he kept me straight and because of him, I saved the program so that I could remember his name. I wonder is judges will be so kind and understanding, given the pressures that are put on them?

I am 76 now and ran my first Master test this year on the weekend of August 10. Guess Why.

What can I say? I'm a scary guy.....-Paul

When you said "it is doable", I interpreted it to mean "if everything else goes well". I am all about there being less grumbling and all enjoying the test. The less pressure on all, the better. Besides, I don't think increasing the number of dogs by 10% in a Master Test does anything to solve the problem.

 

[Hunt'EmUp]

To follow the next step in my question was unasked but leads to HOW MANY judges in my age range will drop out because of the extra strain? That is not my plan right now but this year will give me my personal answer.

From my experience the new number will not really cause judges to drop out, most master judges I know feel the need to give back to the sport; that said they also seem wise enough to know how much they are willing to give back without being burnt out. So most have a idea of exactly how many tests they will judge a year. I would say for many it's around 4. After that number is reached they don't take on more assignments, and good luck attempting to talk them in to it. A bit of stubbornness might come with their experience.

I would have more worry over the workers; eventually saying "No more!!". I know that we've had to switch items to keep workers happy. Example we had the entire gunner-guild flat out tell us they would not shoot another 60dog test. So we went to 90 for awhile and split the stake. Kept everyone more happy for ~3years, this time we went back to a single 60. We did OK and will do one 66, as the test was already on the books. But the test after that is already scheduled to go back to splitting. There was enough worker unrest that I doubt we'll be able to support more and more dogs being added to limits. Club members have been quite vocal with their unhappiness of 60 just magically going to 66. Workers-volunteers must be kept happy, otherwise clubs will not be able to put on tests .