My son and I are just starting out, we want to buy a pup and train for hunt test and for duck and dove hunting, Our idea was to buy a good quality female pup we have looked at some "chopper" and "Grady" pups our idea is down the road to breed with a quality dog and maybe recoup some of investment, my questions are do you think this is practical, do top field trial dogs make good hunting dogs, how does a female compare to male for hunting, one pup we are looking at is suppose to be about 55# dog is this adequate size for say geese, years ago I trained a dog using Wolters Waterdog, from reading it seems this may be some what outdated, what would be recommendations as to good training program(books or dvds?I know this is a lot of questions but I would like to get as much info as possible before I commit to a pup, Thanks for any advice
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My son and I are just starting out, we want to buy a pup and train for hunt test and for duck and dove hunting, Our idea was to buy a good quality female pup we have looked at some "chopper" and "Grady" pups our idea is down the road to breed with a quality dog and maybe recoup some of investment, my questions are do you think this is practical, do top field trial dogs make good hunting dogs, how does a female compare to male for hunting, one pup we are looking at is suppose to be about 55# dog is this adequate size for say geese, years ago I trained a dog using Wolters Waterdog, from reading it seems this may be some what outdated, what would be recommendations as to good training program(books or dvds?I know this is a lot of questions but I would like to get as much info as possible before I commit to a pup, Thanks for any advice
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HI Scott,
Congrats on wanting a well bred dog for a hunting dog. I think that is a very wise idea.
There are a great number of (even recent) threads regarding choice of books/dvd's for training material. The very last book I would choose would be Wolter's....
It really is not realistic to think that you would ever recoup enough of your investment by breeding to make a difference in the old pocket book, unless you bred her from the time she was 2, every year till she was 7-8, and you had no medical expenses arise. Besides, the FIRST priority for breeding should be for the breed itself...
Before breeding (at least if you are going to do it in the way a vast majority of breeders the post here do) you will have invested much more than you think possible..Are you prepared to put a SH or MH title on her? Are you prepared to spend $500-700 on various health tests? Are you prepared to take a puppy back from the owners if the situation arises that they cannot keep it? What about guaranteeing the pup from hip/eye/other genetic diseases? Are you prepared to pay medical expenses if your female needs an emergency c-section and/or spay or if another medical emergency arises? what about if your female ends up not having the 'great' qualities you want or desire? What if there are certain aspects to her tempr/natural ability/conformation/health that are NOT desirable? Would you still breed her to 'help' recoup your costs? Do you have a solid understanding of the current puppy market?
The expense of breeding her and raising the puppies correctly would be enough to scare most sane people away from making that decision, LOL.....Let alone all of the above.
And the list goes on...
Juli
Congrats on wanting a well bred dog for a hunting dog. I think that is a very wise idea.
There are a great number of (even recent) threads regarding choice of books/dvd's for training material. The very last book I would choose would be Wolter's....
It really is not realistic to think that you would ever recoup enough of your investment by breeding to make a difference in the old pocket book, unless you bred her from the time she was 2, every year till she was 7-8, and you had no medical expenses arise. Besides, the FIRST priority for breeding should be for the breed itself...
Before breeding (at least if you are going to do it in the way a vast majority of breeders the post here do) you will have invested much more than you think possible..Are you prepared to put a SH or MH title on her? Are you prepared to spend $500-700 on various health tests? Are you prepared to take a puppy back from the owners if the situation arises that they cannot keep it? What about guaranteeing the pup from hip/eye/other genetic diseases? Are you prepared to pay medical expenses if your female needs an emergency c-section and/or spay or if another medical emergency arises? what about if your female ends up not having the 'great' qualities you want or desire? What if there are certain aspects to her tempr/natural ability/conformation/health that are NOT desirable? Would you still breed her to 'help' recoup your costs? Do you have a solid understanding of the current puppy market?
The expense of breeding her and raising the puppies correctly would be enough to scare most sane people away from making that decision, LOL.....Let alone all of the above.
And the list goes on...
Juli
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Get the best pedigree you can afford. As far as breeding, you can lose money as well as make money. My first litter was two puppies and required an emergency C section. There are several DVD's available to help you train your dog.
Regarding breeding dogs. A fellow told me "it's sorta like hunting and fishing so you can save a little money on groceries."
Books. I agree with the others. Wolter's books deserve respect, but there are better ones on the market today.
Male vs. Female "debate" Go with a Ford and stop drinking Budweiser. Besides, everybody knows that the color of the dog is more important than gender.
55# dog is big enough for geese. I'd think a happy, medium sized dog would be most desireable, but it's sorta hard to absolutely know how large the dog is going to turn out, so don't sweat it.
Get the best dog you can afford. Over a 150 month timeperiod (12 years), the initial purchase price will most likely amount to a mere $2 or $3 dollars monthly difference.
Books. I agree with the others. Wolter's books deserve respect, but there are better ones on the market today.
Male vs. Female "debate" Go with a Ford and stop drinking Budweiser. Besides, everybody knows that the color of the dog is more important than gender.
55# dog is big enough for geese. I'd think a happy, medium sized dog would be most desireable, but it's sorta hard to absolutely know how large the dog is going to turn out, so don't sweat it.
Get the best dog you can afford. Over a 150 month timeperiod (12 years), the initial purchase price will most likely amount to a mere $2 or $3 dollars monthly difference.
When it comes to geese and dogs the old adage about the size of the dog being less important than the size of the fight is as true as it gets. Some dogs will pick up geese and some won't some say force fetch will change that but I've not seen that to be tru. As far as male vs female. That all comes down to personal preferance. What ever program u decide to use it is verey important that you start with it and finish with it and don't do a bunch of jumping around. Good luck and have fun with it.
Jim
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Male vs. Female "debate" Go with a Ford and stop drinking Budweiser. Besides, everybody knows that the color of the dog is more important than gender.
Like everyone else has said, figure out what you can spend and then somehow come up with an additional couple of hundred bucks and buy quality breeding. Sounds like your one the right track with who your looking at.
As far as books, I'm A.D.D. Videos are the assistance of choice with me. I've used Judy Aycock/Danny Farmers videos. Very straight forward. I'm in the process of using Bill Hillman's video with my present pup. It is also a good one.
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