I just joined the RTF forum at the suggestion of Wes Murphy. Wes, are you out there?
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I just joined the RTF forum at the suggestion of Wes Murphy. Wes, are you out there?
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Is anyone in NM breeding Fox Red Labradors?
Im assuming this is the same sire of the litter of pups you just advertised on the lab puppies forum.
Id suggest that you better educate yourself on the rules of this forum. It is in poor taste to be advertising any stud dog on the general forum. There is a sub forum for that.
More importantly it is required that you have health clearances for a stud dog before you can advertise his services. Your dog hasn't even reached the age to be eligible to have his hips rated.
Additionally you need to educate yourself on breeding in general, as it is apparent that you know NOTHING about it.
Not only did you breed two dogs who have no titles or objective benchmarks to show they are worthy candidates to possibly improve the breed, but you also used a sire who is too immature to even be rated by OFA.
Most shameful and telling of your irresponsible breeding practices is the fact that you bred two carriers!!!!! You apparently didn't even have the pups tested, in spite of the fact there is a very good chance that some will be AFFECTED. Do you even know what that means??????
Its obvious that you either dont understand or dont care about the import of responsible breeding.
Please refrain from offering your pup as a stud; or for that matter refrain from all breeding until you educate yourself
Id suggest that you better educate yourself on the rules of this forum. It is in poor taste to be advertising any stud dog on the general forum. There is a sub forum for that.
More importantly it is required that you have health clearances for a stud dog before you can advertise his services. Your dog hasn't even reached the age to be eligible to have his hips rated.
Additionally you need to educate yourself on breeding in general, as it is apparent that you know NOTHING about it.
Not only did you breed two dogs who have no titles or objective benchmarks to show they are worthy candidates to possibly improve the breed, but you also used a sire who is too immature to even be rated by OFA.
Most shameful and telling of your irresponsible breeding practices is the fact that you bred two carriers!!!!! You apparently didn't even have the pups tested, in spite of the fact there is a very good chance that some will be AFFECTED. Do you even know what that means??????
Its obvious that you either dont understand or dont care about the import of responsible breeding.
Please refrain from offering your pup as a stud; or for that matter refrain from all breeding until you educate yourself
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I don't know Wes but if it helps, I just saw a guy walking down the road, looking at the ground, shaking his head and talking to hisself. HPW
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MJH345 beat me to it
But ... I have included a link to help start off your education I suppose ...I just looked at your web site... your dog does not have his health clearances ... AND .... it appears you have recently bred two EIC carriers and post it proudly. Do you not realize that you are producing EIC AFFECTED puppies??!!
I suggest you read the rules about posting puppies/litters/breeding... In case you “missed it” I have copied and pasted that detail specifically below:
NO Labrador litter ads may be placed here without full names of both sire and dam, as well as a minimum of a final hip clearance OFA, (and/or PENN HIP and/or OVC) and an eye clearance (CERF, OFA or other DVM certified method) on both parents in the body of the ad. Pre-liminary ratings are not acceptable. No exceptions will be made.
In addition I suggest you reference this “tid bit” about EIC inheritance:
http://www.vdl.umn.edu/prod/groups/cvm/@pub/@cvm/@vdl/documents/asset/cvm_asset_107687.pdf
Good luck
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funny stuff right there!
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While it is true that dog must at least age 2 yrs to be rated by OFA, this is not the case for PennHip. PennHip can evaluate dogs that are 4 months old, and the rules of the site say PennHip is acceptable.
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True, but, in this case, the sire of the litter has neither OFA nor PennHip. Add in the potential for EIC affected puppies, well, I just hope all those puppies get lucky and don't suffer from something that could have been avoided. What I really hope is that there's a typo somewhere, because it is beyond me that someone knows enough to test but not enough how to use the test results so a dog doesn't suffer.
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I think you read your charts wrong. Carrier x Carrier doesn't produce all affected dogs statistically.
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It is statistically possible that he "CAN" produce only EIC Carriers....
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Do you feel educated now, Danielle? ;-)Fine. Thanks
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MUCH better thanks Kim
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Oh yeah, bring on the sarcasm because a point was made that didn't fit the "bash the poster mentality"....
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Okay guys and gals - cut it out...we don't need to nit pick semantics. You should focus on trying to educate the OP on the concerns of breeding two EIC carriers and along with breeding dogs without standard health clearances. It's sad that we can turn a potentially useful and educating thread into a "food fight" and ruin the intent. Now cut it out and grow up!
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I believe the point was clearly made by the mode of inheritance chart provided by UMN and the EIC statistics in the link I provided addressed to the OP.
I feel that anyone with a high school education can understand the statistics and the possible vs. probable outcomes of breeding an EIC carrier to an EIC carrier.
I believe this OP did not have the education to back up his breeding and we all feel bad about the possibility that some of those pups may be affected by EIC and that some un-knowing homes will buy them, fall in love with those pups, and possibly have to deal with this a few months down the road...
I also believe that we at RTF will most likely never see this OP again and that we are all (those of us who DO understand the mode of inheritance) On the same page.
No need for further sarcasm or comments truly. I suppose a few of us clearly got a bit fred up by this “advertisement” of breeding practice..
The classified has been removed (thank you moderators).
I feel that anyone with a high school education can understand the statistics and the possible vs. probable outcomes of breeding an EIC carrier to an EIC carrier.
I believe this OP did not have the education to back up his breeding and we all feel bad about the possibility that some of those pups may be affected by EIC and that some un-knowing homes will buy them, fall in love with those pups, and possibly have to deal with this a few months down the road...
I also believe that we at RTF will most likely never see this OP again and that we are all (those of us who DO understand the mode of inheritance) On the same page.
No need for further sarcasm or comments truly. I suppose a few of us clearly got a bit fred up by this “advertisement” of breeding practice..
The classified has been removed (thank you moderators).
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The classified ad was deleted as it did not meet the minimum requirements for posting an ad in RTF's classified forum. The guidelines specifically state that preliminary results are not acceptable.
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SOUND THE ALARM !!!!
A commoner has entered the ENCHANTED KINGDOM !
Hurry, quick, quick, put him on the Rack and FLOG HIM SENSELESS before he get's away...........
A commoner has entered the ENCHANTED KINGDOM !
Hurry, quick, quick, put him on the Rack and FLOG HIM SENSELESS before he get's away...........
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